Ok I am English and our media over here is at least fair and while sometimes mistakes happen, they say sorry. A recent peice on CNN has somewhat shocked me, it starts with a rather plain peice on Atheists and how some people are getting targeted for being Atheists, then CNN invites 3 Christains to talk about the Atheists, being a Atheist myself I must say I am shocked at what the US media gets away with. These 3 Christains said some out of place things including: SCHLUSSEL: I think that the real discrimination is atheists against Americans who are religious. I really believe that they are the ones who are the intolerant ones against Christians. SCHLUSSEL: They are on the attack. It's obnoxious and they do need to shut up. ... (Sorry I may not know much about America, but saying anyone needs to shut up is kinda againts a old peice of paper eh?) SCHLUSSEL: Look where there are more atheists and where they've lost God, where the church is not that strong. Europe is becoming Islamist. It's fast falling and intolerance is increasing. That's the one reason our country has not become like Europe because we have strong Christians and because atheists are not strong. And I think that's a good thing. See the whole peice here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU&eurl= So home come blacks, Gays ect are fine but those who choose to think that there is no God, are fine to insult on national TV?
It might be hard to understand for Europeans, but according to Gallup poll in 2005, only 5% in america believes that there's no god. So I guess, that this sentiment is quite normal in the states. Also, you have to understand that the media nr1 task is to make money.
What and the Media in England don't want to make money [Excluding BBC]. We have media just like you, however we seem to have gone the other way and now England is way TO sensative.
Yes, but your media have another target group. If CNN is fair to atheists, they might lose some of their Christian viewers. Also, that sentiment is quite usual outside media. And by the way, I'm not an American or a believer of god. I've seen the debate and I agree that it's ridiculous.
However, when looking at American scientists, very few belive in god and many don't believe there's a god.
Excuse me, but I'm afraid I don't trust the BBC any more than I trust american TV journalism or my local newspaper (which my debate teacher compared to a tabloid), or the websites for various tv journalist channels. That is... on matters of news. I have used multiple language packages by the BBC with Rosary Plumb. I just haven't had time to finish all of them. I do not think that persecuting any group is right. And I don't think that atheists are persecuting Christians so much as they are fighting for their own religion. At the same time, I feel that stripping any form of acknowledgment of religion, or what the current legal system owes to it by law is as much state sponsored endorsement of religion as the government requiring students to say 'under god' as a part of the pledge of allegiance, or giving some sort of preferential treatment to one person's religion over another. Yes. I'm Christian. Yes, I'm currently among those favored by the government. However I don't think having a government holiday on Christmas is wrong, as part of it is merely recognizing that most government workers won't be coming in on that day anyway, so it'd be rather hard to run shop. If the majority of workers in a given government building are Jewish, I could see them closing early through Hanuka to allow people to be home for the nightly dinners without having to burn personal time, and due to the fact that they wouldn't be able to operate during those hours anyway.
Indeed, and there are cases in which some Atheists, along with other religions have taken it to far. For example this year I celebrated Christmas, sure I did not take the understanding of it in, for example to me it is a event I can met with all my familly and talk. I to feel it is wrong to stop a religion from doing what they beleive, for example in my local area (in england) they banned using the word "Christmas" on all shops and town decorations, due to the town being mainly muslim and not wanting to offend them.
Yes. That -is- taking things to far. If that happened in a town I was in and I owned a shop I'd put up a decorations with the word "Christmas" on them anyway just to test the ordinance, and I'd go over the top with a manger and maybe even a Crucifix in order to protest the ordinance. And as a note, I spent Christmas Day evening with my dad, a Jew, and his current girlfriend because it has become a big "family" day for this nation.
Oh, oh, or better. A huge banner with an ideogram that showed baby Jesus, and then a church-mass. ^_^ If I'm not using the word, they can't do nothin.
Other than 'theinternetpreacher' whom spammed the forum for a while, atheists tend to bother me more on the internet. Some of them are pretentious and self-centered. It's one thing having a personal belief (religious or not), but being a pushy ass is another thing.
Rick, to say any one group is 'x' is somewhat silly. Christains are just as bad, heck I have seen many more Christains on Google Videos posting on every video that has anything againts "god". I for one know this is the first time I have ever stated my belief, and I have never seen anyone EVER on the internet peaching Atheism.
Fuck religion man, it's a waste of time, too right I'm intollerant, why should I tolerate things I do not believe ? I shouldnt is the answer and thats my right.
I've seen several on this very forum preaching that any religion which believes in a God is a problem that needs to be solved, that all of them are definitely mistaken, and that education will "solve" this problem. Krak Joe: Fine. You can deny me permission to hang religious posters on any of your property, as that's your right. But you don't have a right to do anything to them if I hang them on mine.
I'm not going to put them on an equal curve, because I'm speaking of my experience. Most of my friends in my youth were athiests. When it came to the subject of religion, I thought they were pushy assholes. While I'm not religious, my experience has almost always been predominately in favor of the 'hands-off' approach. If somethings not directly effecting me and semi-reasonable, then fuck-it....let it be. Most of the people I know now are religious, and I find them to be better people, actually. Not that all athiest are dicks, but I like how they behave as people. Now it might be different if I lived in the deep south, and I had a guy preaching in my ear the whole day, but I've yet to experience such.
I hate whites, blacks, jews, asians, and everyone *note the sarcasm*....so why should I tolerate things I do not like? I shouldn't is the answer and that's my right.
Not to sound to pesismistic [sp], but if religion is a waste of time, then whats the point of living? I can say to all with a true religion, I would LOVE to think I live life and go to the next stage, trust me it scares me to death to know when I die, bang I am dead, and life goes on for everyone else. Just like being Catholic, Jewish or Muslim is not a choice, nor is Atheism.
I am a hardcore Christian and that guy was wrong to say that atheists are obnoxious and they need to shut up. He was being obnoxious and the atheists probably wanted him to shut up to. Some atheists I've met were extremely obnoxious towards me just because I was a Christian. Sometimes we as Christians don't control ourselves just as others do (not that it is okay). Overall it is more reasonable to believe that creation took place over evolution. Take it from someone who has got down and dirty researching this. By the way I will give you everything I own if you can give me rock solid proof of this question: ::::"why has nothing been evolving?":::: Christianity is the only way. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
I generally just can't tolerate evangelists(sp?) of any kind. Atheists, Christians, Mormons, Wiccans; every person has a right to have their own beliefs that get them through the night, but I don't have to hold them and they don't need to save me. I am an atheist, but I really disagree with those who seek to politically correct the whole correct. Under God shouldn't have been added to the Pledge of Alligiance, but I don't think that we needed to waste the time trying to remove it.