Nokaiking: Would you agree that there are some sects of Islam which call for the violent death of non-Muslims, and that advocate the social take over of nations they are in so that the nation will come under Sharia law? Would you agree that these sects, and the terrorist individuals they spawn must be recognized, and delt with? Would you agree that there are far to many people in these sects for comfort? I'm not saying Islam is evil. I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists. I'm just asking about specific sects. I will agree that there are dangerous Christian fundamentalist sects and dangerous Atheist fundamentalist sects who's extreme views and agendas can be of harm to the nations which house the individuals belonging to these sects. I am not currently aware of their prevalence or numbers. I am a Christian, admiting there are
What is it with these extremist muslims who think they can come into a country and do whatever they hell they feel like One of their leaders, some ass hole who's name is Sheik Hilali or something (no idea) told us we were stupid, our women were skanks who deserved to be raped, and that muslims were the first people in Australia, therefore muslims have more right to Australia than Australians (yeah, the entire world's history books are wrong, right!) Honestly, he should just go piss off if our country is so sh*t. As far as I'm concerned he is a complete wanker who should be kicked out of the country and quite personally, if he keeled over and died I wouldn't be sad at all. Not to mention these other idiots who reckon they have a right to have their own muslim state (who the hell do you think you are?) There is something wrong the muslim religion. How can you just sit back and let one of your leader's insult the country he is staying in, and then wonder why we all hate you? If I said you were stupid and pathetic and I deserve your country not you would you be too impressed? It's not all muslims, granted, just a few who give the rest of them a bad name. The fact he is still in a leadership position though shows that alot of the muslims with the power to remove him, agree with his views
[sarcasm]Thank you Rochow. I've attempted to engage an Islamic poster in a discussion about the specific gropups that are causing problems, in an attempt to make a tiny step towards getting the problem it's self solved. And then immediately following it you post something so inflammatory that it will likely dominate the topic for a while. Way to go in solving the problem man! *thumbs up*[/sarcasm]
Thanks, your sarcasm is getting us even closer to a solution. Inflammatory? Well maybe the muslim leader in Australia should shut up and then it wouldn't be a problem. Actually the group who want the state are extremists, they are banned from alot of countries. Sheik Hilali is Australia's most high senior cleric for the Muslim community. Extremist, I think not. He said "I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments. I had only intended to protect women's honour" LOL sureeeeeeeeeee. Protect their honour by saying they deserved to get raped? Yeah, right!
Hi Josh Inno, Yes I do believe some individuals/followers of certain sects do follow a misinterprated version of Islam in which they call for the death of non muslims- I have said this in many posts, I do not deny this And yes from many surveys carried out there is always the small percentage that want Sharia Law, Also- Yes these problems have to be dealt with, before we have a repeat of 9/11 or 7/7. I do not believe that all followers of Islam are 100% good, I accept that there are some people that follow a misinterprated version. I am not trying to hide these problems all I am trying to make people see is that not all muslims are the same, it is not right to tar all with the same brush. I do not see how by saying that I am taking the heat off these extremists?
Lets get one thing straight here Gtech, I have not once and never will attempt to justify the actions of these extremists and nor will I attempt to sweep these issues under the rug. Actually, these points were made pretty clear in a part of my last post.... Maybe you just missed it....
I don't think that takes heat off of the extremists if you also mention that there are some extremists and they are a problem when you say not all Muslims are that way. Some people get hung up on accusing people of obfuscation. Some people try to point out that other religions have problem sects too. I try to derail those arguments and stay on topic by trying to block arguments like these when I can. At least currently. GTech hasn't been claiming that -all- Muslims are bad, if I read things right. GTech, you'd agree that while there are more Muslims from extreme sects than you are comfortable with, but that there are some Muslims you can get along with and that are good citizens, right?
You are correct. There are hateful psychopaths that are Muslim, Christian, Jew or Atheist. These people are dangerous to any society that they live in either in personal level to their family and coworkers or in national and international level as terrorists. The cause of their actions is not their religion but their mental problems that makes them incapable with dealing with society in a reasonable and logical way.
My point is that people seem to believe that there are more muslim terrorists and from extreme sects than there are normal muslims who are good citizens. and the fact that the religion of Islam is also being blamed for the actions of these people.
Actually they claim that themselves, "We are doing it for god" And josh my sarcastic friend, where is the reply to my post hmmm?
What so you'll just believe anything they say rather trying to find out yourself if this is true? Talk about being spoonfed....
Their sect is like a drug to them. Would you tell a drug addict to keep on using after he robs, steals, stabs etc. and say he simply has some mental issues and drugs have nothing to do with it? By the way, in many of your posts you state that religion is the reason for all of the problems in this world. Mike
What? They said it, meaning they believe it. They think they are doing what God wants them to do. You are saying they are lying..? I don't even know what you are on about!
Nor did I say you were attempting to justify them. What I did say is, you are attempting to sweep these issues under the rug and playing a victim role in order to take the focus off the actions and falsely create the impression that someone (me?) is "tarring all muslims" with the same brush. This is seeking victimization. Twice, I've asked for you to identify any post/poster doing such, twice you've ignored that request and went right on using the same tactic for a third time. To the best of my knowledge, I've not seen *anyone* tarring "all" with the same brush. It's a false claim on your part in a desparate manner to put those who are discussing the issues into a defensive mode. It is clear you are upset. Unfortunately, you are not upset at the issues, you are upset at posters for being aware of these issues and bringing them to light. You are attempting portray anyone that is aware of issues as "haters" in plain sight of overwhelming posts to valid sources that portray the real hatred. Of which, you take no issue with. The least you could do is be honest.
Its not hard.... I said: Don't blame the religion of Islam for the actions of terrorists. You said: They claim they are doing it for God I said: You don't have to belive what they say without finding out for yourself. They said they are doing it for God as God commanded them to, but did God really command them to do that?- That is what you have to find out yourself not just take their word. And of course they are lying
Ok then, I am not attempting to sweep these issues under a rug I am not attempting to create any false impression I am not attempting to take the focus off these issues I am not 'upset' I am not upset at people being aware of terrorism I am not upset at any poster I am not attempting to potray anyone aware of these issues as 'haters' I AM upset with these issues! Is that clear enough?
Every religion is like a drug but not all drug users are violent. Religions are a problem since most religions encourage intolerance and ignorance which are the natural enemy of modern civilizations. We can not solve the problem of religion by forbidding it, we can only make it to disappear through education of the population.
On the same subject, platitudes such as "tiny minority" have previously been addressed, time and again. One such address: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1409691&postcount=183 Same subject, the UK. 1 in 4 muslims in the UK say the 7/7 bombings were justified. That's not a "tiny minority" mindset. Just shy of 50% of muslims polled on al jazeera said they supported bin laden. Again, not a tiny minority. Yet another "tiny minority" in Indonesia: http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03 40% of 200,000,000 (200 million) is not a "tiny minority"