Europe's muslims expected to control EU politics in 20 years.

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  2. latehorn

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    Not all muslims are evil and/or terrorists, like the article seems to suggest.

    Also, while Christians converts to Islam, many Moslem's converts to agnosticism, free-thinking and atheism. Many Moslem's that have been well integrated within developed secular countries, becomes secular themselves.
     
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    I don't see a problem with that if they do a good job.
     
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    yes many muslims are converting to chrisitanity in africa and middle east like lebanon/egypt etc
     
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    Sure - when more than 50% of Europe is Muslim then that will happen. Is that likely? No. Muslim imigration has been taken over by Eastern European immigration in most of Europe. Usually people from Poland. Hundreds of people showing up for the Polish Roman Catholic Mass... Hardly Muslim.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    It's just a matter of time. 20 years is about in line of a number of estimates I've seen. A good book on the subject of Eurabia.
     
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    I’ve noticed this happening and am sure that this has been planed for a long time. Europeans are too passive and take to long to respond. Look at what is happening in England and France. Freedom of speech is out the door and so is religious freedom. It’s just a matter of time…
     
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    y is the whole world targetting muslims as evil?

    idk
     
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    I kinda disagree.
    I'm an atheist and my "book" (if any) does not say that.
    Catholics have the Bible, and not sure it's written that way.
    However, as atheist, therefore infidel (as all no muslim) in the eyes of muslims, I'm evil.
    It's in the Qu'ran. And the Qu'ran is muslims' book...
    Fortunately, as atheist, I have nothing against muslims (or anybody else indeed). I'm not targetting them myself...So there's people out there who do not target them...
     
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    Don't hold your breath, paying attention to "intellectual" types just creates more problems.
     
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    http://www.laweekly.com/art+books/books/the-fallaci-code/12921/
    ^^^^^^^^
    Just read this article.

    That's a good question. Could it be the extreme power that the middle east has over Europe by means of oil? The self-destructive philosophies within?

    The best of European philosophy went to America a long time ago. Hopefully Europe doesn't have to implode again for it get some level of realization....you just don't infuse two cultures that quickly, especially if for centuries they had normally been at constant war.
     
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    There's a great different between America and Europe. Christianity is here more considered as something old that belongs to the past. Among young people, a lot people that have been raised in Christian families doesn't consider themselves as Christians but perhaps as Agnostic or Atheistic.

    However, there's also people that just converts to Islam to fit in the social group but don't actually hardly believe in Allah(God). People that lets other decide their religion for them. This is especially common when it comes to women, since they have to convert in order to be able to marry themselves with a Moslem man.

    The term Eurabia is mostly considered as an American term that's rarely used in Europe(except when discussing about US). Proposing immigration policies that would limit the immigration rather than increasing it, is many times considered as racist, since many racists and nationalists also discuss this.

    Criticizing Islam is generally more commonly excepted than criticizing the immigration policy, just as criticizing Christianity, other religions is and the whole idea about god is. Europeans generally considers science to be a better of information than religion. However, ironically as it is, the latest decades has led to an increase in pseudoscience on universities, which while being heavily questioned, doesn't seem to disappear.

    It still seems that while this spiritual trends are going on, atheists are also becoming more organized and goes out in the news to ask people why they believe in stuff that lacks evidence and why they believe in their religion/god instead of the religions behind Poseidon or Thor which also can be backed up with faith.

    A religious person converting to agnosticism or atheism is in Europe more common than the reverse. So therefore, I don't think that Islam will grow as much as the figures suggest. Poor integration is the most common reason for rapid cultural changes.
     
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    Yes. I think it should have "integration laws" beside "immigration laws".
     
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    Non-moslem population in Britain and France: about 100 million
    Number of yearly converts: 100.000/10=10.000
    Number of years it will take to convert all non-moslems to islam according to this pace: 100.000.000/10.000=10.000

    It will take 10 thousand years to convert everybody :eek:
     
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    You say that but the birthrate among European citizens is historically low while the birth rate for Muslims remains high.

    Europe seems to be contributing to its own extinction, regardless of what "outsiders" may be doing from within.
     
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    This is bullshit and stupid propaganda. Codythebest, why do you take the time to post such rubbish ? Think about why this is published and check the sources. (Just for the record, I am not a muslim)

    Ultra-conservative extremists like you are seeing the estimates they want to see.
     
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    What I'm scared about is another actual religon vs. religion war...and if I had to take a guess (I hope I am wrong), I would say that there might be another one in about 20 years at the rate things are going.
     
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    You obviously missed the point. The article is titled: Islam converts change face of Europe ;)
     
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    #19
    You have the right to your opinions. Not a problem.
    Stupid: I don't personally think so...
    Bullshit: can you explain yourself?

    I agree. Since the human beings invented religions and Gods and Heaven and stuff, they have difficulties to love their neighbors.
    Since religions, I think half of the historic wars wouldn't exist...Half of them. They would be still wars for other reasons though...

    Integration is key...
     
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    It is not uncommon for people like Gtech to come up with such BS. People like him, up to 20-30 years ago were worried that blacks are going to take over USA and rape all white women. :rolleyes:
     
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