Wow... I have no idea how taxes work...

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by PoohBear88, Feb 3, 2007.

  1. #1
    Has the education system in America failed me? or was I just not paying attention?

    Here's the deal:

    My friend puts his adsense code on my website. Come payment every month, he gives me the majority of the check, obviously keeping some of it for himself.
    I made a total of $4300 from adsense last year.

    Now, he's saying that I need to pay him $800 to file income tax. Google apparently sent him a 1099 form.

    Here's how I understand things...
    The line to pay taxes is $6,000. I obviously did not pass this line. However, he did pass this income line with his other job. So, he's saying he needs to pay income tax for the adsense earnings.

    Is there a legal deduction or write off he can make to avoid this?


    What do you think?


    What's... "legal" in this scenerio?
     
    PoohBear88, Feb 3, 2007 IP
  2. Nonny

    Nonny Notable Member

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    #2
    I am just a tax payer, not an expert, so your friend should talk to a tax professional, but this is my understanding:

    What your friend probably should have done is file a 1099 form for the amount he paid you (which he is probably required to do anyway, unless the money could be considered a "gift"):
    http://www.ehow.com/how_9185_prepare-1099-contract.html

    Then, on his schedule C, the amount could be listed as a "contract labor" expense", I believe :
    http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1040sc/ch02.html#d0e508

    There may be other ways to legally deduct this as an expense as well.

    If he is paying you "under the table", he is going to be responsible for the taxes on the full about. He should have told you that he'd expect you to pay the taxes on it upfront when you made the deal.
     
    Nonny, Feb 3, 2007 IP
  3. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I would look at it a little differently...

    Your situtation.

    1. You have a site that you rent space on for a fee. (that fee is a percentage of your friends adsense). Your income from that site, is that, plus whatever else you make. You also have expenses which you can deduct.

    Your friends situtation.

    1. He pays a fee to place his code on your site.

    2. He gets a 1099 saying how much google paid him. He gets to deduct his expenses and that would include the amount he pays you.

    3. Is all his adsense on the 1099 from your site, or did he place that code on other sites as well?

    Lastly, where did he come up with the $800 figure that you owe him?
     
    browntwn, Feb 3, 2007 IP
  4. PoohBear88

    PoohBear88 Active Member

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    Yes all the adsense earnings are from my sites.

    $800 is about 17% of $4300
     
    PoohBear88, Feb 3, 2007 IP
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    tke71709 Peon

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    He declares the income.
    He declares the expenses of paying you.
    He pays taxes on the difference.
    You pay taxes on what he paid you.

    You don't need to pay any of his taxes.
     
    tke71709, Feb 5, 2007 IP
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    zac439 Notable Member

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    I agree, you shouldn't have to pay his taxes if you are the one giving him the money basically for free in the first place. Maybe he should've thought ahead a little and kept some of that money for taxation.
     
    zac439, Feb 5, 2007 IP
  7. PoohBear88

    PoohBear88 Active Member

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    That's what I thought we could do. Neither of us know how to do this though... So yea.

    And he's one of my best friends. It's a sticky situation.
     
    PoohBear88, Feb 5, 2007 IP
  8. Nonny

    Nonny Notable Member

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    I've filed Schedule C ("Profit or Loss from Business, Sole Proprietorship") using TurboTax and it was very straightforward - the program goes through each line step by step and has explanations of the terms. If your fried tries that and still doesn't understand, he should go to a tax professional. Once he learns the basics, he can do it on his own next year.
     
    Nonny, Feb 5, 2007 IP
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    craiger22 Well-Known Member

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    I have learned it is best to not go into business with friends or family. For me it has always ended badly.
     
    craiger22, Feb 5, 2007 IP
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    soccerfriend Well-Known Member

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    Just pay him the money.. since he will be in a loss after he will pay the taxes..
     
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  11. tke71709

    tke71709 Peon

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    Worst advice ever... You run a tax forum?

    It's not his responsibility to pay taxes earned by someone else, and there is no way the other guy is going to be at a loss after taxes.

    Taxes are paid on profits.

    Profits = Revenue - expenses
    Revenue = Adsense earnings
    Expenses = Poohbear's cut

    Poohbear payes taxes on his profits (less than 6k total income means zero).

    Other guy pays taxes on his profits (probably very little as most of the revenue went to poohbear and it doesn't sound like these guys are in a high tax bracket)

    Everybody is happy, including the IRS.

    You need to make a decision Poohbear, either this is a business or this is a friendship.

    Option 1: Tell him to file his taxes properly and he won't owe $800 and to go stuff himself.
    Option 2: Pay him $800 of your money to maintain the friendship.

    No matter what option that you pick, get your own adsense account and seperate friendship from business.
     
    tke71709, Feb 6, 2007 IP
  12. Esm

    Esm Peon

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    Yeah, he's taking a chance asking you to pay his tax liability.

    Keep two separate sets of books - his income and your income.
    He should pay his own tax out of his own income.
     
    Esm, Mar 27, 2009 IP
  13. UncleBS

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    Nonny has given the best advice.. He needs to file Schedule C and declare the money paid to you as an expense.. Problem solved..
     
    UncleBS, Mar 27, 2009 IP