Income Tax

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bigdoug, Jan 19, 2007.

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    Well, this video makes me wonder...

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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I've seen this one a million times and while I am not up on conspiracy theories, I will agree, there is NO FEDERAL LAW that mandates that you have to pay income tax.
     
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    Poor Willie Nelson...:eek:


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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Hey, after all, the Clintons did not pay ANY income tax in the 70's.
     
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    Even though income tax is illegal I still pay it. Why? Because, even though no law says I should, they have the guns.
     
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    Don't start this, Mia. It is in the law. Its voluntary compliance. Much like a traffic light. You don't HAVE to stop at one, but if you are busted, rest assured, the coppers will come after you.
     
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    It is mandatory to stop at a traffic light, not voluntary. The official legal explanation of the IRS as to why the term voluntary is in there is because you fill out your own forms instead of them sending you a bill but that is a bunch of bologna.

    Regardless of any law, the federal income tax is unconstitutional and serves only to benefit politicians and the federal reserve.
     
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    Hey... watch that vid and that traffic light theory pretty much gets blown away... along with any other presuppositions you may have had about the way this country and the world operates.

    BigDoug >> see why the 2nd Ammendment is so critical in upholding the constitution and bill of rights? If you find yourself making the statement that i do <insert infringement upong my freedom here> because they have the guns, maybe you should consider exercising your 2nd ammendment right to bear arms.
     
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    We have guns to, thanks to the second amendment.....or at least the ability to buy them.

    Well said. When the government tries to enforce a policy that is not the law, and you are afraid because they have guns, you are no longer living in a free society. You are living in an oppressive society. Besides, everyone who has studied the subject know the U.S. government can't pay off the national debt with the income taxes anyway, because we owe too much.
     
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    Its voluntary compliance. Meaning, no one is putting a gun to your head to do it. The system works because because obey the law because they are supposed to. But if you do not follow the law, the authorities will come in and ensure you do (a ticket for running a light, etc).
     
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    Try not doing it and then see the guns literally put to your head... again, watch the above vid. It is not voluntary. And the "system" works because people have been conditioned to accept it. Nobody knows what the difference between direct and indirect tax and that nowhere in the 16th amendment does it say anything about taxing the citizens' personal income. They just go to the local post office or library and grab that 1040 and fill it out because that's just the way it is... /sigh

    i implore anyone who has not watched Freedom to Fascism to do so...
     
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    Try not doing a lot of things and see the guns get put to your head. Why are you arguing with me over what voluntary compliance is?

    I'm against the income tax as much as anyone, but supreme court decisions since the amendment was passed have defined what congress can and cannot tax under the 16th. It's not fascism, and if you lived under fascism you'd probably realize that. You may not like the interpretation, I may not like it. But that is the interpretation of the amendment, and until that changes, you have to pay your income taxes.

    Read:
    Commissioner v. Glenshaw Glass Co.

    Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad

    are supreme court decisions that support the income tax and congress' right to tax income. You can moan about it all you want; but until those decisions are overturned, you are a kook if you don't think you have to pay and that the IRS can enforce it.
     
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    The word fascism was invented by Benito Mussolini. The idea of forced income tax came before Benito was born.

    Just a question, how can a 30% tax rate be considered a problem? Is it because it's too hard to fill the papers?

    Another question, how to finance the military defense, the justice system, NASAs interesting space exploration, the debt.. if no one pays their income tax?
     
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    New Hampshire hums along just fine with no income tax and so did the United States until 1913. Even when the income tax was passed, it was only a 6% tax on the upper 5% of income earners. Now it is a minimum of 30% no matter what class you are in. Can you tell me that the quality of life in the United States was increased solely by government spending since then enough to warrant a 30% tax on income?
     
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    the quality of life for tax lawyers and accountants have improved ;)
     
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    As for the quality of life, I believe it was best in the 1950:ies, but that wasn't what the subject was about.

    You compare with a situation for a hundreds years ago. But I think is that someone needs to pay the important elements I mentioned in my second question.
     
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    Interesting how the tax-protest authors sometimes write their second books from behind bars. :D

    You can't count on this: if the income tax is illegal, the ACLU and other rights-advocacy groups would be all over it.
     
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    I don't think anyone has said it was "illegal". The contention is, that there is no law requiring it.
     
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    Definition of federal income tax law:rolleyes:

    One wonders, if there is no law, why then do people get in trouble? Wesely Snipes comes to mind.;)
     
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