Blackhat myths and facts

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  1. 1EightT

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    #81
    That is correct, it will not show the cloaked sites as a referrer. We header redirect the person before the pages header even loads. Referrers are recorded by the persons web browser. Since their browser never loads the page, the referrer from wherever they came from is what gets carried over to the affiliate (usually a search result url.)
     
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    #82
    Ahh, ok. I'll definately be subscribing with SSEC again in a few months if that's the case. :D
     
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    #83
    Its easy because what it does is easy. Yes a tool is much faster but TBH everything he offers can be found free on the web and yet he charges a monthly fee. I guess you call that business sense...:p

    Its done using a 301 redirect. Php/java ones wouldn't work and would get you in trouble with the search engines fast.
     
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  4. 1EightT

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    #84
    Most of the software available paid or free is junk. It's also difficult piecing together 5 or 6 pieces of software and getting them all to play nice and work together. We put it all in one place and make it easy to use. We also have features you will not find anywhere else. We listen to our users and make changes that help them build more sites of better quality. We have some things in the works that will really push the boundaries as far as what is available in the market.
     
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    visio Well-Known Member

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    #85
    Right and wrong. From what I have heard your software is quite easy to use however there is free software which does basically the same thing and yes it is all together. The one which I think is better is extremely hard to get to but is very big. It is IMO the best BH tool on the market and it is totally free.
     
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    #86
    lol, I would love to see this mythical piece of software.
     
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    #87
    If you do a little google searching you probably could find it. But it is like 1800s design scheme. I actually don't even know if it is still around. Been months since I last seen it.
     
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  8. 1EightT

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    #88
    I know pretty much everything out there free or paid. PM me a link to this software as I am skeptical that it even exists.

    I'm sure your talking about rssgm. Not only does it not cloak, it doesn't do any back linking, doesn't manage your domains, it's clunky to install since you have to install it on every domain, and it isn't database driven so you are limited by the number of file inodes on your server. It is a free content generator though. I think everyone that uses my software probably started out using rssgm at one time.
     
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    visio Well-Known Member

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    #89
    Nope and I won't post a link because I don't promote that type of software. If you can find it on your own good for you. If not sorry....
     
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    #90
    lol, nice way to dodge the question. I said you can pm me the name or a link. Then again that might be difficult to find for something that doesn't exist ;). If I have never seen this software I would have a hard time believing that it exists. All I do is research the market on a daily basis. Nice try though ;)
     
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    #91
    visio, you just a lil bitch arn't you? You are trying to talk "trash" about bh when you probably buy pr 8 domains like its your job. Difference between me and you? I spend less money, and get more in return. Your terrible.
     
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    #92
    You have no idea what I make or what I invest:D

    Tell ya what you give me access to your program and I will send you the link.;)
     
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    #93
    Visios vendetta was pathetic on page 3 of 60k challenge. Now its just.. umm I cant actually think of a stronger word.

    I dont think it matters in my opinion. If someone posts a domain on my site. I delete it. If it happens alot, I will code some spm detection. If you cant handle the pressure of moderator your sites from BH then dont have a site.

    I think BH is ingenious to be perfectly honest, I think people who complain on the other hand are just plain annoooooying.

    If you dont like something dont use it.

    This was a very badly structured post but murrrr
     
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    #94
    Interesting topic!

    Black hat - used the unethical manner of SEO such as spamming, link farming, doorway pages

    White hat - used the ethical manner of SEO such as using quality content on the site. But as usual, most of the SEO today used the Grey hat manner because it is easy to them.
     
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    #95
    Ahh we meet again. Whats new?:rolleyes:


    You are about correct. Most seo will do basically anything to gain a ranking. The end factoring is based upon what effect they decide it may have in the end. Some won't do BH because they are afraid of getting banned and want the long-term benefits. I guess it is a gamble if you want to challenge the search engines.
     
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    #96
    The last couple sentences mark the first words out of your mouth that I actually agree with :)
     
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    #97
    Now this is a great thread. I have bookmarked it and will read it later.
     
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    #98
    I agree with you on what black hat is and I don't believe I ever said it was impossible or improbable to make some good money with it. What I have said is that for newbies they can get caught very easy and it isn't fun.
    But I still stand to the idea that spamming sites for links will be short-lived. But I guess for content-generated sites what else can you do? I mean no webmaster in their right mind will link to it.
     
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    #99
    What I've found over a long time of thinking about the pros and cons of both BH and WH:

    Over time, black hatters fight a losing battle. When there are forces (Google) working against your BH efforts, ultimately your precious time is spent in vain.

    The old adage time equals money is false. Time is worth more than money, and if over time all your BH work is undone - where have you really taken yourself and your sites? Back to square one.

    It took me a while to realize that the saying "you reap what you sow" is true for everything in the world. Eventually all of the time I put into my sites using WH tactics will pay off - maybe not as soon as if I had used BH tactics, but there's a difference in the payoff.

    When the payoff comes from WH tactics, you can be sure it will be more consistent and over a longer period of time...look at this as time 'invested'.

    When using BH tactics, consider it time 'spent'. Big difference between invested and spent. Invested only means I get to sit on my ass when all is said and done - spent means I have to do it all over again once the work is undone.

    I don't want to work forever, so what I do I want to make sure there is growth in it. There's no real growth in BH.
     
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    #100
    Just so you know, the SE's don't like webmasters optimizing their sites for them for monetary gain regardless of what label you put on yourself.
     
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