What to do if site drops dramatically in the Google Rankings?

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  1. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #21
    OK!

    My site has not actually been banned, but looks to have a penalty or something, but then again, I still have a sub domain on the site that seems to have some of it's pages ranked rather well apart from the sub domains homepage itself.

    Secondly this is a very important site and I know it can be very successful.

    Thirdly, this site has over 200 pages of new content added to it daily. Alot of this new content is actually reprint articles though, which I can't really help as this is what one sub domain on the site is about. It is an articles directory.

    Forthly, I have never spammed like quite a few other webmasters have done. Infact I have not advertised my site for over 3 months because I have recently been spending about 10 - 18 hours a day on it so that I can open up new sections on the site that will be done via sub domains.

    What really gets to me sometimes and probably other webmasters is that you spend hours on improving your site, programming and designing alot of new sections on your site so that it has more value to your visitors and then Google penelises it.

    It could be the re-design that Google doesn't like, but then I have followed all of Googles Webmaster Guidelines and will not change it now. I have written it for my visitors and not for Google.

    One thing that I can think of that could have done it is that I have a .com domain and a .co.uk where they both link to each other on the homepage plus I also have a little duplicate content on both. It is not a considerable amount though and if it did matter then why couldn't Google just make sure that no link gain gets put onto both sites that link to each other.
     
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    #22
    That does sound like it's a duplicate content problem though. I mean, why would google rank your site if most of it's content is the same as content on other sites?
     
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    #23
    I have just looked at the sub domain where some pages still rank rather well, but they are now gone like all of the rest of the site. They ranked alright on this sub domain yesturday but gone today. It seems that my site is getting ranked lower and lower every day and also more of the pages is starting to disapear from Google and also more is going into the supplemetal results index.

    I know that I can still make some good money out of this site from other sources of traffic, but if I have Google traffic aswell then it can triple my revenues or even make them much better than that.
     
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    #24
    I had some of my pages go into the supplemental as well, but that is because they don't have many links to them. You definitely wanna do some link building to those pages. If you have a central navigation system, then that link popularity will get passed onto the homepage as well.
     
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    #25
    My site went from 4,200 indexed pages to over 8,000 so that is not is for me - also I went to page 75 on results for my domain none are listed as supps.
     
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    #26
    Hi guys!

    As many dp members know, many website disapper from Google, ranking 60, 70, etc.. if I do "my site" beteween "", the website is first, but if I dont use it, I dont know where is it, also, with my internal pages, if I use "" all is ok..... :(

    Waiting for news....
    Jakomo
     
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    #27
    I just used the entire "title" for the home page of one of my sub domains that I know is not in the supplemental index.

    The results are that there was something like 1,800,000 results for that title in the search index, but it only showed 2 pages of the results. I checked both of them pages and my site were not on it.

    So I am guessing now that I will not be getting anymore traffic from Google, but they will still keep using about 3-6 GB's of bandwidth a month crawling my site even though they don't want to give me traffic anymore.

    The thing is that I have 2 similar domains where there is the same content on each. For example. I have an articles directory on the .com domain and I then have all of them UK related articles that is on the .com domain on the .co.uk domain that is also an articles directory, but only shows UK related articles.

    Could this be the problem. I did ask on this forum about 2 - 3 months ago as I was worried about this and have had this like this for about 1 year now, and everyone kepted saying that "there is nothing to worry about as the more content you have the better".

    I then just left it as I had actually also looked at news.google.com and news.google.co.uk and found that they had similar to the same information on both of the pages so I thought it would be alright.

    If it is not then I am just wondering how Google does this sort of stuff when you have a google.com and google.co.uk site that has similar content and in places the same content.

    Do they link the both domains together somehow so Google treats it as just one domain name? I have a feeling that Google may be thinking that I am spamming it's search engine with content by having all the uk related articles on the .co.uk site that is also on the .com site. Also, I have a few games on that UK site that is on the .com site and I then have a link on the bottom saying "if you want to play more games, then click here" and it goes to my .com site.
     
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    #28
    OK!

    There has been another change. I had around 300,000 listings in Google last week when I typed in "domainname" without the .com or .co.uk.

    23rd Jan 2007 I had 92,000 has it had been dropping all week.

    24th which is today, I now have 32,000 listings. The thing is my main site has over 200,000 pages contained within it at least. So it is not counting all of my pages anymore.

    Another thing is that my rankings have very slightly improved for some of my sites listings when I type in the actually domains name without the .com or .co.uk on the end of it.

    It seems as if it is all messed up as I also have some pages ranking higher then the actual domain name and sub domains that don't even have any backlinks or shouldn't have any, like my TOS page.

    As my pages have now gone down all week and have now reached 32,000 I am now starting to think that it is going to keep going down and my site will end up going from their index. I think it may be a ban or something because 32,000 is the lowests I have ever had for a long time and every day it seems to be getting lower and lower.

    I am glad that I have traffic also coming from other sources.
     
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    #29
    I don't know what is happening at all.

    I am now at 32,000 pages indexed when I type in the actually site like "domainname" without the quites and the .com. It use to be around 250,000+

    My site and it's sub domains are ranking poorly and have not improved. Today I have noticed that my sites PR has gone from PR3 - PR5, back where it use to be about a year ago.

    1 subdomain has gone from PR4 down to PR0 though, why I don't know.

    I have checked MSN, Yahoo, Ask and I have lost listings in them all and also rankings. It looks as if it is not just Google, but alot of search engines that have ranked this site lower.

    I have infact nearly lost all of my 200,000 listings in Yahoo and now only have around 19 listings.

    I have checked webmaster central and Google seems to be crawling my site just fine. I don't know what could be causing this, but I would doubt that I would be penelized in every search engine so quickly for something that I don't know what is even wrong. I have followed all webmaster guidelines and always keep to TOS with everything I do.

    I have a feeling it could be something to do with metatags or something else. What I don't know.
     
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    #30
    Which site? (URL)
     
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    #32
    Gimme a couple.. can U PM the terms U were ranking 4 that tanked?
     
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    #33
    Every term. If you type in simplysearch4it then my main domain was 1st followed by articles.simplysearch4it.com then games.simplysearch4it.com. They are all now right down the bottom of 50+ results.

    Now the proper keywords:

    Articles Directory: ranked between 3rd and 8th position for months
    Play Free Online Games: ranked on first page of 50 results out of millions of listings
    Free Online Games: ranked 3rd page on 50 results per page
    Adrenaline Challenge: ranked about 37th
    Mini Pool: ranked about 10th

    Most of the keywords for the games names on my site were on the 1st or 2nd page of 50 results per page.

    There are thousands of keywords that has ranked well and every keywords rankings for my site has plumeted so that they are no longer visible and alot of pages are now in the supplemental results even though they have PR or 1, 2 and maybe even PR3 and 4.
     
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    #34
    I just took a quick glance, but for starters, you have your title tag above your meta tags. That in of itself can confuse the heck out of the robot and give you a simple layout, logic penalty.

    This would also help explain why you are taking a hit on all search engines and not just Google's.
     
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    #35
    Dear John (always wanted to say that) - you have trumped yourself in the SERPs my friend. Be happy the .co.uk is still alive....

    Prolly not the best idea... why the 2 domains/content?
     
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    #36
    Thanks for letting me know about that. I have always coded my sites with the title straight after the start of the <head> tag since starting back 5 years ago so I don't think that's the problem, but will get it changed anyway. I hope someone can find the problem as I don't know what's wrong here.
     
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    #37
    The uk version of the US site has only the UK content on it. I have had this UK site for about 2 or more years now and it has always had the UK articles from the .com site on it plus a few games from the .com site and then the web directory and shopping directory on it is totally UK stuff.

    So u think this may be the cause of the situation. So if I got rid of the UK version then will my rankings improve. Also, how can I get rid of the UK version. In other words, I don't want to get rid of it but make it look like a UK site like what yahoo and google does. They have a google.com and google.co.uk site with same content.

    Do they use redirects or something. How do I go about putting the UK content on the .com server account and when someone types in UK it will then bring up the UK content just like Google is there a proper way of doing this?
     
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    #38
    That's an interesting one... I have some ideas.. but I need to talk to a few people first.. PM your email and let me get back to it in the morning... it's a tad late here and I want to check out a few options and which are SEF ...

    My brain is also nearing melting point.. so a fresh look/plan in the morning is prolly best...
     
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    #39
    Weclome. :)

    I am surprised if it ranked so high in the past if the title tag was always above the metas. I suppose it was more based on 1) the content or quality of the content on the site and 2) maybe the GoogleBot was less restrictive then.

    In any case, you should always have the header portion of the site coded like this:

    <doctype>
    <html>
    <head>
    -- Meta Tags --
    <title>
    -- Any CSS or Javacscript calls --

    -- Body call and code --

    since the bot's scripts are generally configured to crawl a site with that kind of logic layout.
     
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    #40


    Thanks. I have always coded with title first then metatags and have never had a problem in any search engine as far as I know. I have other sites coded the same and they are ranking just fine.

    I will still change it though ASAP. Infact I am doing it now.
     
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