Over SEO, do you mind?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by adamgogogo, Jan 25, 2007.

  1. #1
    With over 7 years experiences for website building, knowing the advantage of SEO, but I really don't appreciate some SEO suggestions such as adding alt and title TAG for images.

    I think they're not for visitors just search engines, would like use this

    <img src="image-url"> image description
    Code (markup):
    to replace

    <img src="image-url" alt="image description" title="image description">
    Code (markup):
    What do you think about these SEO tricks?
    The SEO affected both SEs and visitors is the real SEO.
     
    adamgogogo, Jan 25, 2007 IP
  2. Bagi Zoltán

    Bagi Zoltán Well-Known Member

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    #2
    I agree with you. Writing alt and title tags for images and links is not for visitors, but SEs. Otherwise the alt text will be displayed when the image can not be downloaded for some reasons.
     
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  3. just-4-teens

    just-4-teens Peon

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    #3
    i think using both alt & title tags for images is a bit over the top, especially if it is a link image that contains a title tag.
     
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  4. toby

    toby Notable Member

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    #4
    why not having both the description and the alt tag together? because I think without the alt tag, there seems to be less relationship between the images and the description tag
     
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  5. theseokit

    theseokit Banned

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    #5
    Who ever said it was for users? It has always been for SEO as far as I remember. Your second example works quite well. I use it on a lot of images for clients and such, just with different terms in it.
     
    theseokit, Jan 25, 2007 IP
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    hooperman Well-Known Member

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    The W3C?

    The alt attribute specifies alternate text for images, for users that can't see images. The title attribute gives more information about the element it's specified for, again for users.
     
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    theseokit Banned

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    Ah, well I guess sine I'm not blind or anything I never noticed the concept... My Bad
     
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  8. KC TAN

    KC TAN Well-Known Member

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    Yes, totally agree. ALT is created for accessibility. Users that have problems seeing images (total / partial) will need screen readers to aid them. For them, ALT is the only channel to know what is that image about.
     
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    coolsitez Well-Known Member

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    #9
    OOP (Over optimization penalty) is basically considered if you stuffed too many keywords, mostly repeated.

    But TBH, I am not sure how much we could do. I don't know the line. What I do for my sites is that I use alt tags a lot on almost every image I have on a page. But you want to change the keyword little bit.
     
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    #10
    ALT and Title is for Accesibility.
    For example, mobile phones or PDA that use text-based internet browsers need "alt" and "title" attributes.
    Or, if I am using Lynx, I'll probably need "alt" and "title" too.
    Btw, I believe that the "Title" attribute is not for the Image tag. Image tags already have "alt."
     
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    theseokit Banned

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    #11
    There is no serious penalty that I'm aware of for over SEO. I mean sure you may get a few draw backs but over all I think you will be OK if you just write normal readable text.

    I have seen pages rank 1-10 and they have the same word listed maybe 500 times on the page...
     
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    mines Well-Known Member

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    Tbh Alt and Titles are often used for SE's, but very handy for users.

    Alts are handy when images are loading or with images disabled. Titles are handy if you want the tooltip thing when hovering over images, in most browsers.
     
    mines, Jan 26, 2007 IP
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    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    the alt and title tags is also useful to those who are using screen readers.
     
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    Yes i agree also . There is not any logic in it .
     
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    #15
    In a nutshell, to maximize your natural on-page SEO factors follow the W3C recommendations, write your pages in verbose outline format, and compose your text as you would were you writing for a blind person. Use natural sounding language that is keyword and key phrase rich (If you would be embarrassed to read your title element, visible text, alt attributes and title attributes out loud to an audience you are not using natural language).

    FYI, verbose outline format refers to using H1, H2, H3, H4, H5, and H6 elements to create an outline and then using p elements to inject your paragraph copy.

    When you follow this rule of thumb you can pretty much assure yourself that you will maximize the optimization of on-page content without risking over-optimization, spam or stuffing penalties.

    You still need to plan your site's document layouts, theme(s), domain architecture and internal link strategies with care and, if you are being completely white hat, not violate any terms of service. Those things are not included in this rule of thumb.

    That's it. Anything else, pretty much, is one of those wonderful SEO tips that people generally do not write about in the forums.
     
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    #16
    Yeah, this is a 100% correct and everysite out there should be doing this. I think that the title is overboard as well. A well written alt tag is all that is needed in order to satisfy both users se's and the blind.
     
    banless, Jan 26, 2007 IP