If you seek permission, the Catholic Church may (and does) grant dispensation so you may marry a non-catholic with the churhes blessing.
And before the Catholic church came into being was? (I am being serious here and not being sarcastic in any way.) The catholic church has it roots with which ruler? Why do you pray to Mary, etc...? The words in the Bible are before the catholic church, which I do not adhere to any of its rituals or hierarchy. The definition of a Christian to me and many others is one who accepts Jesus Christ, the Son of God as their savior. SO being born a catholic does not give you that, it has to be a personal choice that no one can force on you or that you can take by just going to church or doing some ritual. gworld you are on ignore since you probably don't have anything to add that isn't either a link to a poor source or some comment backed by your hatred for Christians. So I probably won't be responding to any more of your ignorant, bigoted comments.
You mean poor sources like wikipedia and encyclopedia Britannica? You are right, we should all start reading Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, your hometown preacher and other half brains like them. It is interesting this so called right wing "Christians" that are going to save Christian culture against Islam invasion, don't even know about the history of the religion that they are going to save. Now we can go back to our regular programming of debunk making fool of himself as usual.
Speaking in terms of lighting candles in front of certain statues of holy people. Also a christian will never pray to eg Mary. Only to jesus & god. Anyway, like I said.. here in belgium if we say a "christian" we are talking more about protestants or evangelical people.
Catholics think that they are true Christians. Protestants think that they are true Christians. Shia think that they are true Muslims. Sunni think that they are true Muslims. Every religion thinks that their God has a bigger Di*k compare to other religions but it doesn't change the fact that both Catholics and Protestants are Christians and both Shia and Sunni are Muslims.
Pingpong, I am not arguing the roots that all Christians and Catholics share, I am refering only to the religious practices of Catholics that are not from the Bible and to me that is what makes a Catholic a Catholic. Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that it stems from Rome and the emporer declaring things about the catholic church. Yes, protestants then came thru the catholic church as they went back to the roots and away from the religion of catholithism. Sure all the churches started at the time can be connected to the apostles, that isn't being questioned.
Debunk, here u go again. Lets address one fantasy thought at a time. First of all we dont pray to mary. We ask her to pray for us. Is it not written that in the bible god values the prayers of the righteous and even more the angels in heaven. Sorry but this is in the bible that their prayers carry more weight than ours, and who carries more weight with our lord than the woman selected for the incredible honor to carry his son. DEbunked if you truely follow the bible than i must say i welcome u as a catholic. What did jesus say to peter in the bible. Bless are peter and on this rock i will build my church upon, and whatsoever you shall loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven, and you shall be granted the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Debunked since u follow the bible i shall be more than honored to welcome u with open arms as a fellow catholic . This is why we have the pope as the figure head on earth . I shall address the other issues in a bit today or tomorrow and be ready to welcome u to the catholic church as a fellow bible follower Went back to the roots???????????? The catholic religion was teh root even way before the catholic church was officially formed. The first bible was approved and ratified at the council of carthage and hippo in 393ad. Jesus made of of teh disciples(peter) teh leader of the church . Why dont u research this, read ur bible then come back to me. Most of the bible was made not to be translated by most people. This is why jesus revealed many things to his disciples that he didnt to most. Repeat after me he picked peter over the other diciples he picked peter over the other disciples as the leader of this church he picked peter over the other disciples as the leader of this church he picked peter over the other disciples as the leader of this church oh and did it mention that :he picked peter over the other disciples as the leader of this church Debunked if the definition of a christian is one who follows christ then u must follow christs words. All of his words. He did pick a leader for the church and since u follow his words u must accept this
Sorry, I don't get your fascination with Peter. He was a great disciple, yes. He was a changed man. From a wimp that blew with the wind to one who became a rock as his name was stated. But did he found the catholic church? Did he gather together and say this is now catholic and create some new rules? Did Christ tell us to follow Peter or Peter's particular churches he planted? Saint - Holy -set apart = if you are a believer in Christ that should fit you also. Not to diminish any prior saints, but I believe God would NOT have us put them on a pedestal - they were sinners too. Peter failed in many ways to begin with. As far as you other comments - yes the books of the bible predate the catholic church - then canonized. The holy Spirit was given to Christians to help us understand His word. Some are gifted in areas, some as preachers, teachers, prophets, etc... but I prefer to go back and read it for myself with the help of the Spirit to make sure no one pulls one on me. We see this all the time on TV, con men using the Bible for personal gain.
Does this mean that you prefer the work of German Anti-Semite like Martin Luther over Peter? After this short intermission,Now, we will go back to our regular programming of debunked making a fool of himself.
DEbunked i just explained to you how jesus picked peter as the leader of his church. He said upon this rock i will build my church. This is in the bible, how much more simple can it get. True there are people in all religions that that try to use the faith for their p[ersonal gains, but if u follow the bible u know that jesus chose peter as the leader of his church on earth. If you ask any non denominational christian they will say that in the greek rock and peter had 2 different meanings but if u go way back to the original language that jesus spoke which was aramiac, both peter and rock mean kephas. This whole thing about the holy sprit leading u to know what to believe is what is wrong for us to believe. This is why there are over 45,000 different non denominational christians out there and only one catholic church. Now every one of those different christians say that what they believe is true because they were lead to believe this by the holy spirit. I have debunked this argument millions of times and its a fact that its wrong. If you believe in the bible u cannot go against its teachings. As far as saints being sinners, 10000000000% yes we all are, but go back again to what jesus told peter. Dont just do that but study the culture of those times and u will understand what jesus truel6y meant by them. See, just reading the bible alone isnt enough, you must study the times during which jesus lived so you could fully grasp the meaning of what he said to his disciples and people he lived with. Be sure to study the original bibles and not the bible that was made official by some gay king of england who had no historic link or connection to the disciples or the authors who wrote down what the disciples said. As far as god putting us on pedistals, im sorry but that is in the bible also. In heaven some angels draw more favor with god then others, When mary was chosen to give birth to our lord and savior, the angel gabriel came down from heaven and said god our father has sown great favor on her. My bible study teacher said that god loves all of us infintessimonially but he loves some of us a little more infintessimonially than others. Examples of this all sprinkled in the bible. That doesnt mean alot to me, what im concerned about most is if im getting into heaven. Please no debate on that one, if u wanna start another thread than we can loooooooooooooool
who told you catholics are first christians ? dude what are you talking about ? bible ? where did you get the info that the origin of every christian faith came from the catholics ? You can read so much here in Politics and Religion section hahahaha Waiting for your reply on this
iatbm, did u ever read your christian history. The first bible was ratified in 393ad. Before that , not too many people could even afford to get a bible or read a bible. Did u ever pick up a bible dude? Please read it, then please study the cultural times of when jesus lived on this earth. After that please come back to me and repeat what u just said. Ive had this debate a zillion times on religious forums. Lets see how good dp is at debating this. Awaiting eagerly your studious reply after ur research. If there is one thing i know even better than politics its my bible history. Its better that u let this thread quietly go away instead of argueing something u allready know that wrong about
You said and I quote "Catholics are the first christians dude" Can you provide where did you read that and provide arguments also not just a statement ....
Still not sure what you think I should be doing? Peter is the leader of the church - has nothing to do with being catholic - was Peter somehow changed to catholic? Did he create the catholic church beliefs? I don't see how yelling that Peter is the leader of the church has anything catholic about it?? I have great respect for Mary, I also respect Christ's disciples and the apostles. I am not of Paul or Peter but of Christ. Paul and Peter both have huge influence through their writings and examples, but they point to Christ. I am not as dumb as Gworld may have convinced you of, I actually have read the Bible a few times and for many years have I researched what the Bible says compared to any religion and the history of when things were written. No man should be put up with Christ. I am sure you agree. No Saint has attained a level of worship. I hope you would agree. I am with you on God's love and getting to heaven - I thank God He sent His son to pay the price I could NOT pay.
I don't need to convince anyone, they can read your posts. Well, that is sad that after so much work you still don't know the basics about your religion. I suppose it is not your fault, it is God's fault that has made you this way.
I don't think it matters at all about religions. If you truly love someone that should not get in the way of your marriage.
Debunk, i agree whole heartedly about no one being put up in the same staus as jesus, and no one in the catholic church has ever been put up that way. As i said before i never prayed to mary or thge saints , i ask them to pray for me and others as teh bible says the prayers of the righteous carry great weight with god. Iatbm yes i can provide this evidence but it would take a few days because my memory stinks because of a parisitic bacteria i had a while back, but i can get that information for you no problem at all.
Bensky, there is a part of me that agrees with you, if only it were so easy, but i love jesus more than i could ever love any woman. I think there is a lesson here im being taught somewhere about obedience and sacrifice, i just havent figured it out yet
Oh my god ..... you love Jesus more than you could ever love any woman ? First time I hear something like that ... still you didn't answer my question where it is written that other christian religions came out of catholicism ? ....