Mischief that could get you put to death according to Islam

you just don't get anything do you?

 

kalvin it seems to me is that you are really not seeking the answer but looking for a way to justify your prejudice although you know that it is wrong.
I tried to answer you very clearly in my previous post and I am going to take another try here
Islam is a religion for people not for countries or groups, and it is up to the individual what he does with his life. and he will be judged by god for what he does in his life
here is another example where I would want the killing to be allowed these situations are not predictable and really has be left to the individual but it should have a heavy burden as it does
lets say a policeman notices that someone is about to blowup a bomb that will kill a lot of people he can not sit and watch and say god told me not to kill so I could not do anything
people do things against their religion all the time. that should not be a reflected on their religion as a whole. for example there were a lot of catholic priests that molested children in us that does not mean that Catholics are child molesters.
remember the last time that blame was assigned to a religion it caused holocaust do you really want o go down that path

 

It seems to me you can't answer the simple question:

what is the definition of "mischief in the land?"

All you're giving me is your opinion. Not facts supported by Muslim scholars. I don't care what the Catholic church does or what Christianity teaches.

I want to know what Islam teaches that "mischief in the land" is. It's a simple question. Here's a real answer to that question:

It may be wrong but it's an answer. So, what is your answer to the question?

 

I get it. What you and your friend are trying to say is that only Christian right has the authority to execute people including teenagers and call it a God will and punishment but if Muslims or others enforce death penalty then it is barbaric.

 

that is true no one can tell you what "mischief in the land?" means to you.
i also can not tell you how Moses split the sea and a lot of other things.
when you reach the point that that you belive it is ok to kill you know what it means and you could still be wrong.
untill then do not kill

you can not understand everything that gods tells you or the reason for it. you just have to belive
science is what you understand

 

How many times do we have to tell you that the Quran forbids anyone following scholars. I have told you that only Allah knows the true meaning as he said it- go ask him the meaning, ask Jesus to let you know when you pray tonight . You don't really want to know the meaning you just want an excuse to demean Islam-Well go ahead You believe what you like, interpret it how you like. You want to see Islam and muslims in a negative way what we say or prove isn't going to change that, so why should we even bother giving you our interpratation You are just a christian fanatic, in my eyes you are no better than those terrorists who misinterpret that 'mischief in the land' means non believers and kill innovcent people.

 

pizzaman you are the most intelligent and understanding human being I have ever had the pleasure to 'meet' Well done for another excellent post

 

Source? I've asked before, you declined to offer one.

Using this, we're now back to the point that anyone who ONLY reads/writes English cannot be a true muslim because scholars (supposedly, if you would actually source it, instead of making it up) translate the quran.

It's a catch 22.

 

No because any human being with even half a brain know that what they interpret it as is wrong. Do you interpret it as the same way?

And its not because I say so, its because I KNOW so

 

Probably this guy just *misinterpreted* the quran. Oh, wait, he probably read it in that pesky *English translation*

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3

 

It seems these people were using the same translator to read the bible.

Both Christianity and Islam have elements of violence that can be easily manipulated in the hands of fanatic Muslims or Christian right.

 

Wow, Christians are actually fighting back in Indonesia? Slap my fro! Had they been muslims killing Christians, they probably wouldn't even have been jailed, let alone executed.

From your link, but conveniently left out (I wonder why, gworld???):

Duh! Serious doubts

But, your bud up above, let the world know he killed the "non-muslim."

 

BTW, got some more of your buds in Iraq, gworld

 

This good enough for you as a source;
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I warn you only by the revelation (from Allah and not by the opinion of the religious scholars and others). But the deaf (who follow the religious scholars and others blindly) will not hear the call, (even) when they are warned ((i.e. one should follow only the Quran and the Sunnah (legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements of Prophet Muhammad SAW , as the Companions of the Prophet SAW did)).
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #45)

you know what i'll even provide a link:
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=21&translator=5&mac=

 

Nope and you should be ashamed for trying to pawn it off as a source with all the editorial rewriting in it.

Let's take a clip from this highly doctored verse and see where we find it in google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...e+revelation+(from+Allah+and+not"&btnG=Search

Two results?

Now, let's go to an authoratative presentation of the verse presented, with numerous translations available:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/021.qmt.html

There we have it. Three different translations from three different muslim scholars. You're not dealing with the average dhimmi here.

 

Excuse me? So now you're saying I good as made that up, I have read the Quran in arabic and am also fluent in arabic, and I can assure you that that is extremly close to what it translates as. I don't even know why I am trying to prove this to you First you want a source, when presented you refuse to believe it regarding it as 'highly doctored'. That IS the verse commanding Muslims only to follow the Quran no other religious books. In your *translations* who is being referred to as deaf then?

From your translations:
Inspiration/Revelation= Quran
Deaf=

Do you believe in the Quran? Then why and how are you judging which verse is a better translation?

 

catholic, protestant, Greek orthodox, Lutheran and many more Christian sects disagree on a lot of things
lubawich conservatives reform are not in agreement with each other always
Moslems have also a lot of sects and division that disagree with each other
this is all caused by people. they change the meaning of what god have said and most in good faith

to be a good Moslem you do not have to know Arabic but you must learn how to read Quran in Arabic as soon as possible
I think a Jew must also be able to read torah in Hebrew

also it is in torah like Quran it is not acceptable to follow words of other people see paragraph 2 in the link but yet there is Talmud
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Deuter4.html

the point that gtec misses is that just because someone does something and say it has done it in the name of Islam does not make Islam responsible for it just the same as any other religion

the fact that there are Moslem terrorists does not make Islam terrorism handbook but there are social reasons and time is better spent addressing them than this nonsense.

 

There were serious doubts about the fairness of Saddam trial and how they had to change the judge and how the defense attorneys were getting killed but it seemed to bother you none.

I think death penalty is always wrong, how about you?

 

Seems like hes trying to avoid the question gworld Its like getting blood from a stone. But I'm sure KalvinB will jump to his defence and start going on about hijacked threads and 'open your own thread' whinging nonsense

 

GTech knows that but refuses to accept it as that won't give him the chance to spread his poison about Islam being a religion of terror and all that.