More NOOOOOOOKULAR weapons in Middle Eastern countries?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by AGS, Jan 19, 2007.

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  2. Rick_Michael

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    The problems first arised when inspection were denied.

    All from your link^^^^^^^^

    The criteria involves disclosing info....
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-3-2005_pg7_3
     
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    Expecting AGS to read, Rick. What are you, crazy? Man ;)
     
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    I wish people would just comply with these international treaties. If you entered them, just work with them. Then we don't have to see anything bad go down.
     
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    Treaties are only worth the paper they are written on. No enforcement of them, usually. Kyoto, everyone signed it, no one is living up to it - not that kyoto is useful anyways just a good example. They are all feel good measures to push problems onto future generations.
     
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    Some treaties are absolutely essential, and I believe the Non-Proliferation Treaty is. The UN is supposed to be the watchdog of that, but given American interests...we'll poke our head in when we see fit.

    Unfortunately the UN doesn't live up to an enforcement institution. It's history if full of merely words and STRONG WORDS (on no!?). Ultimately an institution needs authority in terms of economic and military force to be reputable in handling such treaties. While I wouldn't suggest putting a real military in the hands of the UN, I would definitely reccomend that they charter real criterias in which force is absolutely justifiable and essential...otherwise we get the endless debate of 'when and if' it is.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Read, I will give you. Reason? Well that is another story.:D
     
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    US also has nuclear weapons and that too more sophesticated and more devastating....
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    You sound really "sophesticated" too.:rolleyes:
     
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    I didn't know that. That is interesting!
     
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    More than.. the planned self exploding nuclear plants? :p
     
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    Self exploding plants would harm the nation housing them. You really wouldn't want to plan them.

    Anyway, since Jordan is all up for inspectors for it's nuclear program, where as Iran is obviously building missiles, and I seem to recall that South Korea is touting left and right that they're going to blow people up with their missles, I see less of a problem with Jordan having nuclear plants than Iran or North Korea having nuclear weapons.

    However there is a big concern that once you have a nuclear plant, you're just that much closer to the bombs.
     
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    As NK found out, having a reactor does not necessarily equate to building a bomb. The waste material needs to be refined and if its contaminated it'll never work very well.
     
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    No. It doesn't equate to it. It just means you're closer. You have nuclear engineers and scientists who are up on more nuclear theory, and you have ways to find, refine, or buy nuclear material.

    As I said, this puts you closer to having the bomb than if you didn't have a nuclear program in place.
     
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    Finland have had a peaceful nuclear program for a while now, but I see no sign that they are going to make nuclear missiles.

    Jordan have peaceful relations with Israel and the rest of mid-east. I see no sign that they would need a nuclear bomb.
     
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    latehorn:

    I do. Iran.
     
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    Well the question is then if Iran poses any serious threat to Jordan, which I don't think they do.
     
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    That would be a good question...

    Jordan's make-up:

    Religions: Muslim (Sunni) 92%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Jordan
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    Depends if there's a regional conflict. If there is none, then no...but if there ever is...sure.
     
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    Yes. Jordan is primarily Sunni. Iran is primarily Shite. These two groups generally have a desire to kill each other, or are at the least traditional enemies. Iran is building nuclear bombs. What happens if they get it? Do you really want your traditional enemy spanning back thousands of years to have the bomb? No. Well if he has it, how can you keep him from using it? Make sure he knows that if he does, he's dead too. How do you do that? Build your own bomb.

    That's the basis of nuclear proliferation.

    BTW. I heard that there's a news article out there saying that the head of the Iranian nuclear program was assassinated by Israel.
     
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    Josh, just because they can't always live together doesn't mean they want to attack others contries. There was once in a time lots of violence between protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland, does that mean that Protestants have the ambition to nuke a Catholic country?

    There's others factor than just religion when it comes to foreign policy.
     
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