Just wait till he starts bad mouthing terrorists! Oh wait, he doesn't bad mouth them. Just everyone else
The nazi idealogue is largely marginalized in the states, and we have plenty of free-speech. I'm not into the whole idea of making 'hate crimes' or 'hate speech' a focus. A crime is a crime, and speech shouldn't be a crime unless it incites violence. Anyone that thinks it didn't happen should wake-up. But on the other hand, I'm not going to give special reassurance to a jewish fella over speech or opinion. I'd love to jail any threatening or violent skinhead fuck any day, but I'm not going to put some kid in jail because he says he hates black people, jews or doesn't think the halocaust happened. That's just going to lead to laws like UK has...where you can't talk shit about anyone. And I love the fact that in America I have the right to use those racist words...even though I don't use them....I don't want some special law to come-out and make every other person I've known a criminal. To put it lightly I've known tons of racists latinos (probably more racist anyone else I know), but they're not beating up black people...so I figure what's problem. We don't need special laws to further suppress stupid opinions. Give them their own reign and they'll disappear on their own. Make them special and they'll live longer.
What happened Mia? Do you have a Jew in your family too, so you don't have a ball to tell them that you don't like them and you have to come here and unconsciously talk about cooking them? May be you should have some kind of reputation system in your family so you can give them anonymous red rep when they are not looking. Don't be upset since your problems can be solved very soon, I just mailed you a pair ball that hopefully you can use.
No, nobody here is answering my question... (just looking to open their mouth and show they don't know more than a highschool kid).. But, the nazi party being illegal is obvious... true. For obvious reasons, same as why Saddam's ba'th party is illegal. About the holocaust, why make it illegal to discuss it? Where is freedom of speech? It doesn't matter if someone makes a completely wrong argument. He should be allowed to make it. That is the fundamental of freedom of speech...
Yes what about freedom of speech? How about starting with all the countries that don't tolerate any dissent, rather than Germany. I guess freedom of speech is not your real issue, is it. Or let's talk about Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or virtually any Islamic country .... but no, you want to talk about Germany. How about the crazy people who thought killing people was an appropriate response to a cartoon. How did you feel about that free speech? You don't care a lick about free speech do you? Your feeble attempt to frame this as a free speech issues makes you look even dumber than when you said discussing whether the holocaust happened "can be a very good discussion by itself."
You don't understand... do you? To you there is obviously not much to discuss, but to some people there is. What I don't understand is why making it illegal to discuss???? To me it sound like a third world country not allowing people discuss sensitive political matters. But a country like germany that claims to be free, shouldn't have such laws...
You are free to discuss it all you like, you just can not deny that it ocurred. What country are you in, that you can look down on Germany's free speech rights?
Don't be naive, discussing means both sides (deniers and those who believe in it) be able to sit down and talk... Again, no one has said anything about why it is illegal. I'll take that you don't think there is any logic behind it either... Where I am is not the question, just like where I stand on the holocaust issue itself...but if you really wana know I'm from VA.
It's dangerous false ideas that started the holocaust in the first place. I'm sure there would be trouble in the US if we started denying that slavery ever happened. I can just imagine what kind of resentment that would cause towards people in the "North" for attacking the "South" for no good reason. If the holocaust never happened then the *Germans* were the true victims in WWII and not the Jews. We beat them up for no good reason if the holocaust never happened. That's why it's a dangerous slope. It was that victimization the Germans felt after WWI that caused the rise of Hitler. It's the self inflicted victimization of Muslims in the Middle East that is giving rise to so much terrorism and hatred towards the Jews. Extreme ideas can be expressed in the US no matter how rediculous because they don't infect the whole of society. Extreme ideas infected Germany then and they're infecting the Middle East now. Society failed in Germany then and it's failing in the ME now. If an idea ever so infected the US you can bet once we overcame it we also would make it illegal to ever doubt what happened. Notice that despite what happened the Jews harbor no hatred for Germany. That shows what a strong character those people have. Notice the strong unrelenting hatred Muslims have for Jews. That shows their weak character. It's a rare Muslim that supports Israel.
Learn to read. My first post tells you exactly why they do it. Germany makes it illegal because it is in Germany's national interest. It is really that simple. Why Germany, because they know, more than anyone, that the holocaust did ocurr and that they are to blame.
My friend, you have some reading to do... (I take it that you think WWII was the result of us protecting Jews!) Even extreme ideas have a right to exist. As long as the extremist don't take action they should be entitled to WHATEVER they want to believe...
Your post said it's Germany's national interest and when I asked what national interest you never responded... Again, even if the deniers are completely wrong... (you want better than that?), they should still be entitled to their opinions. That's what democracy is.
Another Stup*d post. The WWII started because Germany attacked Poland and not because of the Jews. They were doing these thing to the Jews for a long time before the start of the war and nobody cared in Europe or USA to start a war because of it. In reality USA even denied visa to the Jewish people who were the victim of what was happening and didn't let them to come to USA.
I dunno. I think I'd much rather know if someone denied the holocaust happened; than have him believe it but never tell anyone cuz its illegal to do so. Gives you a point of reference for many other things they probably believe.