Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents

What happened is that these agents had some sort of scuffle w/the drug dealer and upon trying to get away, a border agent shot out...and I BELIEVE got the drug dealers ass. Allegedly they said he had a gun.

The prosecutor got in contact with the drug dealer when he got caught in America, and offered him immunity if he testify against these border patrol agents. He did.

So apparently the policy on the border is you can't shoot a person whom doesn't shoot back. Take notes terrorists...ie if you run with the weapons, drugs and so forth, they can't shoot you!? Fairly silly policies of engagement.

I'm not going to say Bush wasn't looking at this till he got anger from fellow Congressmen (of his own party), but the man's PR is terrible in this case. He was given many letters by I believe 50 congressmen, and he didn't immediately reply...I believe these are the first words he had to say on them.

It was fairly amazing to see all the congressmen speak about this situation. The were mad.

Yep, they're latin, and they're families are in fiscal crisis. Thankfully some people are on their side. They deserve that much.

Maybe this will drive more attention to the border situation, and the political ramification of forbidding a border agent to rightfully take down those suspected of drug smuggling or perhaps terrorism. We can't just let people run with out consequence

Civil Rights of an illegal alien drug dealer!?

Wow, what has America become?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244938,00.html

What a nation of pussies we are. The poor drug dealer deserves to be free and he deserves to get money from our government!? Fuckin pussies.

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Shit like this makes me wonder if American will self-destruct or see the truths. We can't allow the worst of people to have such capabilities.

 

According to the prosecutor, he was unarmed and they knew it. They were also accused of covering up incriminating evidence (something most innocent people don't do).

There's been a number of illegals shot, several fatally, and charges weren't brought against them because it was self defense. You just can't shoot unarmed non-threatning people and cover up the evidence, even if they are illegal drug smugglers.

 

Do you mean like people here who always want more killings and war but are too chicken to join and always have tons of medical excuses?

 

Hopefully both Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso are pardoned.

"This is what two Agents get for defending their country's borders against illegal alien drug smugglers.

To recap their story, here are the facts:

Agents Compean and Ramos -- two loyal Americans of Mexican descent -- spotted a suspicious van near the U.S. Border. The van was being driven by illegal alien Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, who was smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the United States.

When the illegal alien and drug smuggler saw Agents Ramos and Compean, Davila hightailed it toward the border.

According to media reports, Davila at one point turned toward the pursuing agents and pointed something shiny -- what appeared to be a gun. The border agents fired their weapons at the fleeing illegal alien drug smuggler.

Davila ended up with a bullet in his buttocks -- although Compean and Ramos apparently did not know it at the time. The illegal alien drug smuggler didn't even slow down. He jumped into a waiting van across the border and sped off.

What happened next is so unbelievable, so outrageous that it should upset every American concerned about our border security.

Acting on a tip, an investigator from the Inspector General's office interviewed the illegal drug dealer, bought his story, provided him with taxpayer-funded medical treatment in an El Paso hospital, and gave him FULL immunity from all charges just to testify against Compean and Ramos.

Not only that, DAVILA WAS AGAIN CAUGHT SMUGGLING DRUGS INTO THE UNITED STATES while waiting to testify against the border agents. And, he was AGAIN given full immunity for his egregious crimes.

Agents Ramos and Compean -- each with a wife and several children -- need our help immediately."

You can send Blast Fax Messages to President Bush and Congress to tell them to issue a full pardon for these brave border agents here: http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/compeanvi.html

The judge in this case should be hung IMO.

 

Pardon them, give them a medal for valor, then send them up to patrol the border near Canada, close to gworld

This whole case was a sham.

 

They should throw the lawyer in jail for aiding and abetting a drug smuggler.

 

Great idea!

 

I hope Bush does the right thing, we had a big "sign their pardon" drive on my forum about this.

It would be a travesty to incarcelate these two heroes.

 

Besides pardoning the border agents, since he has taken the gloves off in iraq he needs to pardon the Pendleton 8

 

is that whole story?

http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2164&Itemid=2

so essentially they shot some guy in ass , then hid the evidence, and then didn't report it?

Sounds like they should be fired if nothing else.

 

would they be your heroes if they shot a cuban on raft?

 

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061019-111227-1246r.htm

Well, I'd say the jury was not appropriately addressed. Could their conduct be used to fire them...perhaps, but I do not submit to the thought that they deserve jail time.

I'm explicitly believe that anyone running away from border agents on the border can be submitted by force. If it's 'unlawful' to use physical force on the border (unless within strict engagement procedures) then we have no hope of calling it a secure border. Granted this situation is different, and the agents did report seeing what they thought was a weapon.

 

lol...jeez, ferret, no one can reasonable shoot someone on a raft (unless they're armed). Although I'm sure there are many cases where American national guards have used force on suspected drug smugglers. Florida used to be a very popular area to transfer Cocaine.

 

Moral of the story. Good guys lose. Ferret's buds win.

 

If they are guilty of the charges, they are not good people.

 

This pretty much says it all:

"The two were convicted by a federal court jury last fall for violating the civil rights of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, the drug smuggler who was shot in the buttocks as he attempted to flee back into Mexico near Fabens, Texas, in February 2005, according to the Times."

So they violated the "civil rights", what civil rights? The civil rights of a criminal, a drug dealer/smuggler that was fleeing back to Mexico.

The only crime committed here is failing to hit him the his other ass.

 

These are the charges.

I don't believe what they did constitutes a crime. There are many laws on the book we do not enforce, because they're outdated and silly. The border is a zone that can't be held up to domestic standards. It's an area that requires higher levels of force and compliance.

Needless to say police have fired upon suspects that run away in many situations...so the idea that such can't atleast apply to the border.... is just silly.

They're not bad people [the agents], and I believe they did nothing wrong within that situation. I don't agree with your opinion.

 

I was just boarded a couple days ago some coast guards, you shoould see the M-60s or whatever they got mounted on the back of their boats , little boat too like less then 25 feet with like two 250 horse power engines on it.

Pretty much just a couple engines and a machine gun, things probably flys

This is boat



They shoot at the people boats all the time, they don't shoot at the people though unless they are armed.

The other day they used a helicopter to shoot the engines out ths boat that was running from them, the smuggler's boat had like 3 250hp engines on it and 20 cubans. The coast gaurd couldn't catch them with their boats so they called in a helicopter and a sharp shooter to shoot out the engines, some girl got killed, it was sad. There was huge waves that day, when its like that and you go fast you actually catch air, its kind a fun for minute but not really pleasant. I heard that they wait until rough seas to make runs across because small boats hide from the radar in the waves, not sure if that is true though.