Exxon Cuts ties to Global Warming Skeptics

Ferret, where's your sense of context? Reading what he wrote, it's very sensible to assume he's not ragging on all scientists.

 

I wish we could get some of that global warming here. 'bout to freeze my ass off! What happened to all the global warming?

 

that whole geedy scientists make stuff up for grant money arguement is just so asinine, I just can't take it

sure there are bad people in every profession but

scientists and researchers are freaking the most educated most intelligent people in our society, its not like we are talking abut Real Estate agents

as of right now there is more money in being against global warming if you someone whose opinion counts for anything

look at this guy

http://www.wired.com/news/wireservice/0,71486-0.html?tw=rss.index

If all someone cares about it money then it makes way more sense to say that global warming doesn't exist and try to get the funding from energy companies then it does to compete for scraps from the government.

Come on, there is global conspiracy of scientists out there making stuff up to get grant money, better get one of these



Also temperature readings prove global warming don't they?

First global warming was a hoax, then the temperatures proved it, then its the earth is warming is natural, then people point out that the earth is warming way quicker then it would naturally, then its its the sun spots on sun are heating the earth

one of my relatives summed it up when he said

"Global warming isn't real, if it was I would have to vote for al gore, so it can't be real"

 

you know when you say stuff like that you just look dumb, right?

because its cold in january somewhere, global warming is fake?

 

Fact: The Greenhouse Effect Exists

Without The Greenhouse Effect we would have mean temperatures like the moon. (Day time 107°C - Nightime -153°C).

The mean surface temperature of the Earth luckily for us is 15°C.

Does the earths mean surface temperature increase and decrease over time?

Yes.

Has it recently risen rapidly due to human activity?

Quite possibly.

 

When I take into account of who is making the claim of looking dumb, I can't help but feel smarter

Funny, when I hear global warming calls with some of the nastiest winter I can recall, with temps here in the low teens at night and high 20s during the day, I wonder where the global warming is. In 2004, it was all the hoopla with the seasonal hurricanes, then 2005 was as calm as can be.

But, as I said, right about now, I wish we had some of it here, if it actually exists.

 

Everytime there is global warming thread some moron comes in with "OMG it was unseasonably cold somewhere for a little while, so global warming is FAKE" post

it never fails there will always be that ignorant moron who thinks that either a cold winter or a hot summer somewhere is proof or disproves the idea of global warming.

In this thread gtech gets the prize

2005 was the most active season on record

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season

maybe you are thinking of 2006

 

And some moron is left utterly speechless as to how to explain it.

Nor that some ignorant moron is incapable of explaining why there is snow in Malibu.

Thanks! My very first prize from the special olympics squadron leader

Yep, 2006. Honest mistake. Where did the global warming go last year?

Well well, what do we have here?

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=32abc0b0-802a-23ad-440a-88824bb8e528

It appears "climate alarmists" are far more interested in the money than one might have previously thought. Does this necessitate a change in position, ferret, or is an excuse now in order?

 

small abbreviations and unseasonalbe temps here and there do not prove or disprove global warming

I don't see why that is so hard to understand, they are getting their first snow in NY right now , there hasn't been a winter where it didn't snow until january in NY for like 100 years

That does not prove global warming , I'm sure its snowed in mablibu before its a red herring, it proves or disproves nothing

people need funding and everyone wants money

is virgin looking to have scientist solidify the proof on global warming because it helps them financially?

are energy companies looking to scientists dis-prove global warming because it helps them financially?

 

ferret, your last post seems to be back pedalling some from the post above that I took issue with.

For example: "as of right now there is more money in being against global warming if you someone whose opinion counts for anything'

additionally: "First global warming was a hoax, then the temperatures proved it, then its the earth is warming is natural, then people point out that the earth is warming way quicker then it would naturally, then its its the sun spots on sun are heating the earth"

However, for the most part, I agree with your last post. There is proof to support and deny global warming. I've seen it from both sides. I don't accept that it exists because I've seen plenty to suggest it doesn't, nor do I accept that it doesn't exist, for the same reason.

As for your last two questions, I work for neither company in roles that would allow me to make even an educated guess. But then that wasn't the point. The point was to counter the assertion about the money being more thrown at those who seek to discredit global warming.

At some point, there may be more conclusive data to make a determination. Right now, I see arguments both for and against the existence of unnatural global warming, to the point that it's not easy to make an informed decision about it one way or another.

In 2005 (got the year right this time), we saw weather alarmists going haywire about how global warming was causing hurricanes and how it would continue to get worse. In 2006, it was very calm. Temps were lower this past summer than normal, now we have snow in Malibu (not a red herring), wicked winter weather (that I'm currently bracing for, yet again, this weekend).

The term here is Global warming. Global. I take that to mean across the globe. If things are getting globally warmer, it sure makes a tough argument against snow in Malibu, freak winter storms taking hold across North America, the absence of the much predicted bad hurricane season last year, etc.

 

was school difficult for you gtech?

The hurricane season was easy because of the elnino pushing the hurricanes up the center of the atlantic



Do you understand that some unseasonably warm temps in a few areas don't mean jack against the average global temperature rising?

Yeah the term is "GLOBAL" that would mean worldwide tempertures

we are not talking about "malibu warming" or "rural texas trailer park warming" if we were, your statements would have some merit

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901949.html

maybe you should call the National Climatic Data Center , gtech and let them know there where some fluries in Malibu so therefore all their numbers must be wrong

 

Here we have laymen against laymen, trying to convince others based on decent knowledge. The sad thing is that this has been a political question that splits right and left. I think politics should be about opinions and not include scientific theories where each side contradicts its other.

As for what I know. Yes global warming exist and cause more wicked weather. A warmer climate naturally results in a more active weather.

The question that professional global warming scientists discuss is how much of the warming is caused by human impacts, how much is caused by ocean warming, etc etc. There's still questions to be answered.

 

Ten more company CEO's let President know they want him to deal with global warming:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16708004/

These include Alcoa, BP America, several utilities. They all have a stake in this issue.

 

Yes, imagine all the subsidies they will get for complying with these completely arbitrary environmental standards!

 

speaking of subsibies

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_go_co/congress_oil

looks like democrats are on their way to cutting oil subsidies

how can anyone who believes in the "free" market disagree with that?

 

Why do you assume that I don't agree with getting rid of subsidies? I agree with getting rid of subsidies but I disagree with even one penny of the money being used to fund "research"

 

I understand it quite well. I just wish I could get you to understand what you are trying to explain to me. My issue isn't with a few unseasonably warm temps in a few areas, but unseasonably COLD temps across many parts of North America, including Malibu.

I understand "climate alarmists" pushing/forcing their junk science onto the world with doom and gloom about how much warming is going on, then back pedalling and making excuses when freaky winters come around that defy global warming. I understand when "climate alarmists" use 2005 hurricane season as the basis for their doom and gloom predictions about how things are only going to get worse, then how they back pedal again when there wasn't a single hurricane that made landfall in 2006.

Ah, but let's call it "a few unseasonbly warm temps" and claim it doesn't mean anything

 

Its been unseasonable warm in in the north east

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14117849/

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/173105

http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=5964378&nav=0hBE

http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2007/01/15/daily24.html?surround=lfn

Please post some links about the cold winter Gtech,

 

Already did. Malibu, remember? It seemed to upset you tremendously. Of course, I can look outside my front door window and see close to a foot of snow accumulating, with temperatures in 20s during the day and low teens during the night for the past two weeks.

And, staying "abrest" of the weather and the many reports about "freak" cold winter storms. Sure looks like global warming to me