German court upholds ban on head scarves MUNICH, Germany - A court on Monday upheld a ban on Muslim teachers wearing head scarves in the schools of a German state under a law that says teachers' attire must be in line with "western Christian" values. .......... Seems like the EU members are learning their lessons from other countries. What they should make public is the deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Once they make them public, the public itself may request tougher laws against all those teachings that are opposite to freedom and democracy, and even humanity.
Interesting. I am a bit usrprised that the Germans are following the French. The EU is becoming so overrun by radical Muslim extremists that it will eventually be their undoing unless they get some balls and crack down on more things like this. Kudos to the German courts!
I agree...do ya'll remember the case in Florida where a muslim woman wanted to wear her headscarf (burka I think) in her driver's liceanse photo? All you could see were her eyes, and she wondered why that was a problem.
May be she should get the first flight to Pakistan or Afganistan. She won't need a driver's license there.
How is this freedom and democracy? Do you mean forcing a women to cover her hair is not cool and non Democratic but forcing her not to cover her hair is cool and democratic? How can you tell a fanatic Muslim that they should allow women to chose what they want to wear while at the same time you are sending a message that women are not allowed to wear what you don't like? In a democratic society everyone should have a right to wear what they like. Forcing a dress code either through religion or government is wrong.
I agree but the issue is not that simple . People have the feeling that edict to wear a Burqa is a part of same script which say kill people who are not Muslims. So governments do not want : a) Fear psychosis amongst majority of people that anything can happen anytime. b) People should be discriminated because of religion or attire.
Oh, you mean the same governments and presidents like Bush that think there are weapons of mass destruction in god knows how many countries and that Muslims are terrorists ? How about televisions like Fox that are pro-war and spread fear by showing only the bad side of things and bending the truth and reality ? Not all Muslims are terrorists and most just want to live in peace among people of other races. See the 30 Days episode about living as a Muslim for 30 days and maybe you'll see things a bit differently. I'm not Muslim, in theory I'm Christian, orthodox .. Why I say in theory ? Because that's what my parents decided for me at birth, it was not my choice. And for most people it's not their choice, they have been .. indoctrinated. I don't really care about religion but I do believe that if one person believes in a religion and that religion imposes some clothes he/she should be allowed to wear them. As for the car ID, she should be offered two choices: 1. for the ID picture, drop the Burqa or whatever it's called because that's the law of the country you're in and you have to obey the laws of that country. 2. Refuse to remove the head gear and use the Bus, train or taxi/cab. Don't try to get a ID then. You're not forced to have cars. PS. A few hours later.. I thought that thing was covering all her face and you could see only her eyes..if it was only for the hair than I don't see why she should not be allowed to take the ID picture with the hair covered.
Government and even we as people, should act on principal that is part of our civilization such as personal freedom, human rights and democracy and not out of fear and despair. When we start to act according to the same rule book as fanatics and people who do not believe in democracy, not only we lose our moral superiority in this fight but we will also be no different than people we claim to fight. We can not send a message that because we want to defend freedom and democracy, we have decided not to respect other people's freedom and democratic rights.
So would allowing every muslim woman who wears a head scarf to wear it in her drivers license picture be good? All of their pictures would look alike. Remember, seperation of church and state. If you want to be a part of the state, there are certain rules you must follow. The same with being a part of a religion that requires you to wear a head scarf. So, my question is this: Which one do you go with? A state that doesn't care where you are not happy? Or living the american dream?
My answer was about German court ruling because there is no need to identify her. The driving license issue is not a religion issue, it is an issue of practicality since even a man will not be permitted to take a driver license picture with ski mask on. As far as I know with a picture ID, it is important that face is not covered and you look straight at the camera and your ears are visible in the picture. There is no need to see the actual hair for identification as far as I know. If a Muslim women can take such picture which can be used as a mean of identification on her driving license while covering her hair then why not? We can pass laws that are universal for all members of society and it is according to democratic rules and respect of human rights but when we start to make laws for specific groups like in Germany then it is against democratic principals. I bet you guys wouldn't be happy and start screaming if a court ruled that nuns should not be able to wear their costumes.
i dont understand why a headscarv cant be allowed? what is it going to prevent or stop... if they want to stop something, they should stop extremists breeding in unmonitored islamic schools.. let people wear headgear
I think the issue is that the face is covered...think about this...if women are allowed to cover their face, so that only their eyes would show, people would get used to it. It would then be real easy for a suicide bomber to dress in this same manner and walk into whatever public place they want and blow themselves and whoever else with them up. I think history has proved that most suicide bombers are men, and not women. (women don't get the virgins in heaven)
This must be one of the most stupid posting ever. Do you mean a suicide bomber can not wear a big ski jacket, carry a bag or drive a car and the only way they can do it is to act as women and cover their heads? It is funny that you people in order to justify your hatred will come up with these craziest and off the wall ideas.
Have you ever seen a burka that muslim women wear? The headscarf is only a part. The rest of it is usually long black robes, because they can't show any other skin besides their eyes and their hands....do you research before you call my post dumb...
So what is your problem? Is it because you can not see their skins or are you claiming it is possible to hide things under it? If you are upset that you can not see their skin then get help from a doctor. If you claim it is possible to hide things then how about big ski jackets and pants? How about nuns with their costumes? How about orthodox Jews with their long coats? how about gypsy with their big skirts? How about people who are going to a masquerade ball with all kind of crazy costumes that can hide different objects under?
In democracy where the rulers or politicians are answerable to people they have to take these decisions keeping in view the sensitivities of people . I agree that headscrafs or anything like that should be ok. Let me tell how people become sensitive to these issues At our place lot of burglaries have happened in the garb of burkas . The traders resisted and suggested that the such people should atleast appear before CC TV’s which was reasonable enough. But again issue was made of it and the clerics passed an edict that all these shops should be boycotted . Why ? Do they want to protect the burglers in the garb of burqa? Similar is case of woman wearing of Burqa in England while teaching kids in classroom . Is it not absurd. ? So it is the fanaticism which is making the other people irritated and thus they become sensitive to these issues.Muslims ( atleast moderate which people say are majority)should atleast come against such issues so that a balance is maintained to defuse or avoid such atomosphere.
While many people believe that democracy is just a simple rule of majority over minority, it is much more than that. Part of a democratic society is the respect of majority for the rights of minority. There are certain principals that can not be diminished by simple majority rule. A majority can not rule that the minority can not speak anymore since this is against the principal of free speech. A majority can not rule that the minority must change their religion because this is against freedom of religion. Courts and governments should make rules that are universal for the society and not based on restriction which are motivated by religion or race because some people are "sensitive" or scared of unknown and like to limit others freedom.
Once you twist the 'thinking' of a group of people, or if you teach sombody something wrong it is very hard to undo it later. Should I repeat it again. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A MAN IN HIS 50+ YEARS TO SEEK MARRIAGE/SEX FROM A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL. EVEN FOR A 58 YEAR OLD MAN TO HAVE SEX WITH 14 YEARS OLD IS NOT MORALLY RIGHT. How do you want civilized and educated people to accept a teaching from such a person as a holly? You're free to believe in whatever you like. But forcing western civilized societies to believe in your messenger's way of life is taking their freedoms. Any muslim who feels the west is not for them can easily go back home and practice their beliefs. I know a few muslims and when I told them Muhammad married 9 year old girl they didn't believe it. Some said women had bigger bodies at that time. When I told them Muhammad cut hands for stealing, and that Jesus was healing those who couldn't walk and couldn't see they went silent. You will never be able to make any reasonable man believe that Muhammad's behavior was as good as that of Jesus. Sorry, if that is something you don't want to hear. But it is 100% true provided the Quran is a true book and the Hadit true writings from Aisha .... I say the truth as I know it.