Well you obviously must have turned a blind eye to the denouncing as it would give you another opportunity to have a dig at islam, well like always I have done the work for you: Contempt for September 11th Terrorist Attacks by Muslims American Muslim organizations, individual scholars as well as International Muslim organizations, scholars and representatives of countries with a Muslim majority jointly and individually condemned the 9/11 attacks. In a Joint Statement by American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society, Muslim Public Affairs Council, stated: "American Muslims utterly condemn the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts." Muslims Against Terrorism (MAT): “As Muslims, we condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. Ours is a religion of peace. We are sick and tired of extremists dictating the public face of Islam.†Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt: “We strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. We condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.†(Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 - 19 September 2001) Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt: “Attacking innocent people is not courageous; it is stupid and will be punished on the Day of Judgment.... It is not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom; it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.†(Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001) Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, Head of the Directorate of Religious Affairs of Turkey: “Any human being, regardless of his ethnic and religious origin, will never think of carrying out such a violent, evil attack. Whatever its purpose is, this action cannot be justified and tolerated.†(September 21, 2001) Ayatollah Ali Khamene'i, Supreme jurist-ruler of Iran: “Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons…. carried out by any organization, country or individual is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington. (Islamic Republic News Agency, September 16, 2001. Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar), Turkey: “Islam does not encourage any kind of terrorism; in fact, it denounces it. Those who use terrorism in the name of Islam, in fact, have no other faculty except ignorance and hatred.†Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi, U.S: The sudden barbaric attack on innocent citizens living in peace is extremely distressing and deplorable. Every gentle human heart goes out to the victims of this attack and as humans we are ashamed at the barbarism perpetrated by a few people. Islam, which is a religion of peace and tolerance, condemns this act and sees this is as a wounding scar on the face of humanity. I appeal to Muslims to strongly condemn this act, express unity with the victims' relatives, donate blood, money and do whatever it takes to help the affected people. Abdal-Hakim Murad, Britain: Targeting civilians is a negation of every possible school of Sunni Islam. Suicide bombing is so foreign to the Qur'anic ethos that the Prophet Samson is entirely absent from our scriptures. ("The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists," Hamza Yusuf, U.S: Religious zealots of any creed are defeated people who lash out in desperation, and they often do horrific things. And if these people [who committed murder on September 11] indeed are Arabs or Muslims, they're obviously very sick people and I can't even look at it in religious terms. It's politics, tragic politics. There's no Islamic justification for any of it. ... You can't kill innocent people. There's no Islamic declaration of war against the United States. I think every Muslim country except Afghanistan has an embassy in this country. And in Islam, a country where you have embassies is not considered a belligerent country. In Islam, the only wars that are permitted are between armies and they should engage on battlefields and engage nobly. The Prophet Muhammad said, "Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people,'' and he mentioned priests, nuns and rabbis. And he said, "Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies.'' The Hadith, the sayings of the Prophet, say that no one can punish with fire except the lord of fire. It's prohibited to burn anyone in Islam as a punishment. No one can grant these attackers any legitimacy. It was evil. (San Jose Mercury News, September 15, 2001. ) Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan: It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people. (Cited in the New York Times, September 28, 2001.) King Abdullah II, Jordan: What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in. (cited in the Middle East Times, September 28, 2001.) Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, U.S.:ISCA We categorically condemn yesterday's hijackings and attacks against the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and all other targets. From coast to coast, we join our neighbors, co-workers and friends across ethnic, cultural and religious lines in mourning the devastating loss of precious life, which Islam holds as sacred. We pray for the thousands of innocent victims, for their families, for law enforcement and emergency workers, for stranded travelers, and for all whose confidence and security have been shaken. We pray that God's Infinite Mercy reaches us all. We join the US Congress in declaring today a day of mourning and also call on the entire faith community of America to spend the day in prayer for the victims and their families who so tragically died. All of our centers across the world will observe three minutes of silence tonight at our sunset prayer. We stand with the administration and law enforcement agencies in support of discovering the persons responsible and bringing them to justice. We encourage whoever is able to donate generously both blood and money to local chapters of the Red Cross...ISCA has many times warned the nation to guard against the possibility of such actions and reiterates its condemnation of all terrorism, whether ideological, geographical, cultural or religious." You really are the limit....Well here is a PARTIAL list of MUSLIMS that died on 9/11 and were not terrorists but innocent victims: Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos. Samad Afridi Ashraf Ahmad Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children) Umar Ahmad Azam Ahsan Ahmed Ali Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children) Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran) Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald) Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack) Jamal Legesse Desantis Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan) SaleemUllah Farooqi Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes) Osman Gani Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old) Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet) Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom) Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan) Nabid Hossain Shahzad Hussain Talat Hussain Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan) Yasmeen Jamal And many more.....
Finally.... Any acts of violence, injustice, harassment or prejudice carried out by any individual or group calling themselves followers of a religious tradition is wrong. No matter what religion they claim.
I'm glad you posted that list...like I said, the US media didn't really give that information...its actually good to see.
Thank you Hopefully people will realise that only a small majority are terrorists, and rest of the muslims are against terrorism
Hello windtalker and others, I am a believer of one and only God. The same one and only God mentioned in Bible and Qur'an. I believe all religions are almost corrupted. I don't think majority of Christians are following the true teaching of Jesus Christ. This can be proved easily with their scripture. I hate 'traditional Islam' or 'Mohammedanism' because what they practice is not found in Mohammad's Qur'an. Most of their practice are based on books written after 250 to 300 years after Mohammad. 90% content of those books are crap which are actually not "real sayings or practices" of Mohammad. But I respect this man Mohammad because of the following reasons:- 1) He does not reject Torah and Gospel "GOD: there is no god except He; the Living, the Eternal. He sent down to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures, and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel". [Quran 3:2-3] 2) He does not reject previous prophets mentioned in the Bible "Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." [Quran 2:136] 3) He does not reject salvation of other faiths promoting one and only true God. Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. [Quran 2:62] 4) He advise Christians to obey their script if they are not prepared to accept him and his Quran. "The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked." [Quran 5:47] And he continues ... Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord." For sure, these revelations from your Lord will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Therefore, do not feel sorry for the disbelieving people. [Quran 5:68] 5) He respect Jesus and mother Mary. I have found many verses. For example; The angels said, "O Mary, GOD has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you from all the women. [Quran 3:42] "He will teach him (Jesus) the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel." [3:48] 6) He accepts Israel !! And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, "Go live into THIS LAND. When the final prophecy comes to pass, we will summon you all in one group." [Quran 17:104] In another place; We let the oppressed people INHERIT THE LAND, east and west, and we blessed it. The blessed commands of your Lord were thus fulfilled for the Children of Israel, to reward them for their steadfastness, and we annihilated the works of Pharaoh and his people and everything they harvested. [Quran 7:137] "O my people, enter the holy land that GOD HAS DECREED for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers." [5:21] And again; "We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people. [Quran 45:16] But Israel has to remember this; [2:40] O Children of Israel, remember My favor, which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your part of the covenant, that I fulfill My part of the covenant, and reverence Me. 7) He does not prohibits marriage with Christians and Jews "Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers. [Quran 5:5] 8) He said good things about GOOD Christians "..And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant. [Qur'an 5:82] When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses. [5:83] Please note that I am not trying to white-wash Mohammed and I don't have to. If he is a true prophet of God, there will be some real proof with him in his book. We don't have to believe anything blindly, because its written; "You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them. [Quran 17:36] Muslims as a community, have many problems that are created by 'Mullas' and Arabian Dictators after the time of Mohammed. People are accusing Mohammad with 'evidence' found in books written after 250 to 300 years after him. This is NOT fair. If you want to criticize him, take evidence from his own book Qur'an. If Bi'n Laban and his followers make troubles, punish them and don't accuse Mohammed and millions of Muslims. PLEASE don't accuse all Muslims as Terr0rists and Stop your leaders from killing innocent people and looting oil wealth. This cannot be tolerated. God Bless, Ishaq.
This is an absurd and haughty contention. Characteristic of one who considers himself superior. Saying: "This can be proved easily with their scripture," is the giveaway. Where one might believe what he believes, to tell the entire Christian world that one could "easily" disprove everything they hold dear with the very same Scripture we have been reading all along is a disgusting display of presumption. Not to mention ignorant. I believe that with enlightened study of the koran it is possible to wean someone off it's contradictions - but I never thought for a minute it would be "easy."
The kuffar are not innocent civilians in Islam. Infidels are infidels and are not considered innocent. Many of these statements are cleverly crafted around this very notion. They are non-condemnations based upon the lack of this understanding in the media and the general public. In islam, the kuffar are guilty. They are guilty of being non-believers.
And, as was attempted to be editted out of the Koran, that is grounds for death. All this nice talk is meaningless. Much like Mr M going on and on about women and then calling them property. Islam is all about peace and tolerance for one group of people only: Muslims. All others must submit to Islamic rule or face death. When the answer to the question "what crimes warrent the death penalty?" is "those who cause confusion in the land" you have a very sorry religion that promotes violence, destruction and oppression against those whose only "crime" is rejecting the Koran. The terrorists would have no support from the Koran except for that little phrase. Imagine how different Islam would be if the only crime that warrented the death penalty was murder. Heck, imagine if they just clearly defined what was grounds for death instead of using a stupid little phrase that is open for anyone's interpretation of what constitutes "confusion."
We Muslims accepts Bible but The Bible has not maintained its orginal pure form.. The Pure orgianl form is maintain is Holy Quran You can read Quran complte online http://www.quranweb.org/ in English http://www.quranweb.org/english/index.htm
now you are spamming threads with basically the same post. BTW, the books of the bible are older than the koran - and give one legitimate example of it being changed..........
Do you even know the meaning of the word KHAFIR? How would you class someone as a Khafir? An innocent civillian is an innocent civillian regardless of race religion colour or creed. Islam has not instructed muslims to kill 'khafirs'. Why do you lot refuse to see Islam for what it really is - A religion of peace. You let fanatics of a religion influence your views about the religion....
Did you make those bits up by yourself? Being a muslim I have never been instructed to kill non believers. Having read the Quran I haven't found any verses ordering the death of non believers. Terrorists were followers of Islam- Islam did not order them to kil anyone even though they claimed it did- and you believed them!
No, I just toss it around because it sounds pretty Kafir/kuffar - non-believer, infidel, apostate. a derogatory term, often used ie "dirty kuffar." Calling for definitions won't help your position. Incorrect. In islam, the non-believer (kaffir) are not innocent. Second sentence is incorrect as well. Covered here. Would you like to use the translation defense again? Because my head isn't buried in the sand. There is nothing peaceful about islam. It is a religion that preaches violence and hatred of non-believers (kaffir). The days of "islam is a peaceful and tolerant" religion are long gone.
Seems like you don't know the meaning after all Kaffir is an arabic word ( just in case you didn't know!!!) and in the Quran- where the word originates from, is mentioned in five different senses: 1. To lack gratefulness to God or to people. 2. To disown/clear oneself from 3. To deny 4. To hide/bury something, like planting a seed in the ground 5. To reject the belief in the Oneness of God (note not Islam but the oneness of God) And nowhere in the Quran does it say kill non belivers, don't quote a single part of surah 5, quote the whole verse to give its true meaning I see in many of your posts you snip verses out of context just like the misguided Muslim terrorists who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.
You mean those Muslims that rule the "peaceful" country of Saudia Arabia that murder people based on how they define "mischief" who are raped or reject Islam? Seems to me they understand the verse the way it is clearly written. Seems to me that when the leaders of an Islamic country are doing the same things the terrorists are that maybe you're the one who doesn't get it.
I know what it means quite well. And I know how you and your ilk use it as a derogatory word to describe non-believers as well. If you wish to alter reality, I'll make a fool of you. Sure it does! There is no "out of context" to kill the unbelievers. "Kill the unbelievers" is about as IN CONTEXT as you can get. Brush up on your taqiyya, boy http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1276336&postcount=59 Hmm, "strike off their heads" Why, I wonder, how could anyone take that out of context? Let's see, strike...off...heads. No room for ambiguity there. It's pretty clear. Strike off their heads. So are the others. Don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining Seems like you are ashamed of your religion, to persistently deny the undeniable and outright lie about what it says, preaches and is about. If you are that damn ashamed of it, I invite you here to consider alternatives.
If I remember correctly YOU were trying to alter reality by quoting a part of a verse instead of the whole verse in order to give it a whole different meaning. YOU altered reality and YOU were made a fool of Why did you not quote the whole verse? 'Kill the unbelivers that fight against you'. and 'kill the unbelivers'- quite out of context wouldn't you think? or shall I use your example for you to see understand more clearly? Now theres-'Strike off their heads' and 'Strike off their heads of those who fight against you'- alot off difference are will you just deny that? I am in no way ashamed of my religion and nor do I lie about it- I follow it and respect others and their beliefs-thats more that can be said about you. By the way I wouldn't 'pee on your head' even if you were on fire