Ten Most Common Questions Asked by Christian Missionaries against Islam

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  1. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #21
    From what the Muslims keep telling us, yes they are justified by the Koran. letsjoy recently cut and paste a rediculous article claiming that Muslims should be terrorists to those who aren't innocent. It was written by a Muslim cleric or Immam.

    The Koran also states that the penalty for not being innocent is death.

    Those who reject Islam are not innocent.

    Therefore, according to the Koran, everyone who rejects Islam should be put to death. And that's exactly what the terrorists are doing.

    And that's why the majority of Muslims remain silent/support the minority that murder people only non-Muslims consider innocent. They have nothing to say to the terrorists that could possibly make them stop.

    The Bible states very clearly that we are to fear God, not men. Because the Muslim god is a false and weak god they are taught that "not innocent" people are to fear them, that they should be the terrorists to unbelievers. The True God doesn't need men to do His work. If God wants to show his wrath to someone that's His business. Not ours.
     
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  2. letsjoy

    letsjoy Well-Known Member

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    #22

    hey who are you u ? a scholer about saying that..

    First of all is Quran not Koran
    and Quran say a person cannt be complete until he able good with others means other non-Muslims

    In upper statement where you specified that that is completly wrong can you please me some verses which says that ????????

    If yes then I am ready to answer..
     
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  3. letsjoy

    letsjoy Well-Known Member

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    #23
    What is bible ever you read it ??? Can you show me any verse in bible in which "JESUS (Peace be Upon Him) HIM SELF SAYS I AM GOD"
    Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) is the one of messenger ( Phrophet ) of God Almighty

    GOD is One He has not father or Son !

    Humen Being has father or son or wife...HE is ONE God not like you an Humen Being.

    Different Btw Chirstians n Muslims is ONE that you say gods are 3 while We Say GOD is ONE Which is ALLAH

    and next time before saying anything read holy books of urs if saying about other then others
     
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  4. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #24

    Do you have a town infidel that you are nice to? Cause I don't see others being treated the way you say that you are suppose to.

    Others seem to follow the koran and not befriend the unbeliever.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #25
    Do these answer you question? :
    God is one! The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). The creator of the Earth. The One who Is, who Was and Is to come. Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, Lord of lords, King of Kings, and my Savior.
     
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  6. letsjoy

    letsjoy Well-Known Member

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  7. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #27
    Let's see what letsjoy's new Quran source says...

    Yep, still supports terrorism.
     
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    #28

    And how do you define 'disorder in the land'
    Are you causing disorder in the land?
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #29
    Fair game, let's read. So when I visit al-tauba, sura 9 (one of the last suras by mohammed, whose verses of the sword abrogate many earlier verses), it says:

    OK, so let's see what Sura 5 says (al-ma'idah):

    Doesn't sound very tolerant to me. Do not take the Jews and Christians as friends? That seems outright intolerant.

    How does the translation from this site, differ with the verses quoted from here?

    Or, will nokiaking go into another long denial about the translation by islamic scholars?
     
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  10. nokiaking

    nokiaking Peon

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    #30
    To understand the issue of befriending the Jews and Christians , we have to study all the concerned verses together in light of the whole Quran. the Quran is a complete book that occasionally presents a law or commandment over several chapters or several verses in the same chapter and the practical part of this commandment can be achieved by understanding the whole issue as presented over all the verses and chapters and not by upholding only part of the Quran. God specifically warn us against doing just that, upholding part of the Quran while disregarding the rest.

    [2:85] ?. Do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part? What should be the retribution for those among you who do this?..

    Back to the issue regarding befriending Jews and christians....
    Verses in the quran specifically mention that there is nothing wrong with befriending Jews or christians:
    As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)

    God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)

    reading the line immediately after the one you quoted;
    And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)
    Tells us that verse discourages muslims from befriending those who physically fight Muslims because of their religion.

    Other verses referring to who muslims can befriend:
    O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57)
    nd We caused Jesus, the son of Mary, to follow in the footsteps of those (earlier prophets), confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah; and We sent him the Gospel, wherein there was guidance and light, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah, and as a guidance and admonition unto the God-conscious. (Quran 5:46)

    Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians- all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)
     
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  11. nokiaking

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    #31
    When quoting surah 5 please quote the whole verse, which is:

    "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors.And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression" (2:190-193).


    Now that gives surah 5 a completely different meaning then what you gave it!!!:eek:
    It says fight those who fight against you, not just anyone as you made out.
     
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  12. letsjoy

    letsjoy Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Its like saying "Always jump from the plane"..not to say complete like "In emergency always jump from the plane"

    Please give complete versus
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #33
    I did. The verse from Sura 5:51 that I quoted is:

    Seems pretty self-explanatory, no?


    You're quoting Sura 2 here, in error, to absolve 5:51.

    Incorrect. My guess here is that you were simply confused between sura 5 and sura 2 when posting. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. 5:51 is clear. Don't take Christians and Jews for friends. Surely mohammed would not be ashamed of the words allah supposedly told him?
     
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    #34
    Ok genuine mistake, swap the 2's for the 5's.
    Why did you not quote the whole of surah 2, why did you just quote a 'snipped' version?

    Read the verses immediately before and immediately after the verse from surah 5, then it will be self explanatory, read the attitudes towards Jews and Christians througfhout the whole quran THEN it will be self explanatory.
    And yes for once you are right!!!- Muhammed wouldn't be ashamed of the words Allah HAD told him:)
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #35
    Fair enough, I believed it to be an honest mistake.

    I'm quoting verses, not entire suras. The context is no less meaningful.

    You sure want to go there? Which translation do you prefer? Shakir seems to be the most popular.

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html
    You don't want me to start quoting from the hadiths :) It's far much worse there, regarding Christians and Jews. Especially Jews.
     
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