Supplemental Result

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  1. iatbm

    iatbm Prominent Member

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  2. iatbm

    iatbm Prominent Member

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    #22
    it is just that i have History Timelines and Articles in every title ... thats it

    all above that you said is pure speculation
     
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  3. E13 9AZ

    E13 9AZ Peon

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    #23
    Your </titles> are not the problem it's your meta description tag.

    Do yourself a favour and write a unique one for each page.

    They will then come out of the omitted results.
     
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  4. Kirchenbauer

    Kirchenbauer Peon

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    #24
    I haven't heard too much "buzz" about the Supplemental Results, so I was worried that the problem with Big Daddy was fixed, but my site was still like that. I will check again each week to make sure it is fixed. Thanks for the reassurance.

    No, I haven't done the site: query on the other data centres. I will check them out, too.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I checked it out and do find that there is some duplication, but quite a bit of the duplication is for information that can be generally found on other sites, such as the top 10 dog breeds, the 50 state birds, or what a Cheetah eats. I don't see any sign of someone copying my content, although it is possible that I missed something. How particular is Google on duplicate content? I know that most of the other pages that are listed as Supplemental are product pages, FAQ's, the About Us page, etc.
     
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  5. sumi

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  6. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #26
    Possibly true prior to Big Daddy. Almost certainly not true now.
     
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  7. nddb

    nddb Peon

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    #27
    Minstrel,

    I was thinking about this actually, they say they apply less filters to the supplemental index basically, and some things may preclude you from ever moving from the supplemental index to the main index.

    I wonder if the supplemental index, is not like a waiting room. Where they just throw every page they ever see. Then, they go through the waiting room, checking tons of variables (as they mentioned, variables in the URL string) and if you pass their tests, then you can be moved to the main index.

    I'm not really sure, some pages seem to go to the main index immediately (my RSS feed did) while other pages seem to sit in supplemental for eternity, even after I make changes which (I think) should allow them in the main index.

    But, I think this could be a sign that they have already analyzed the page, and deemed it supplemental, and they don't come back and check the supplemental index that often.

    Again, all speculation, but I tend to agree with what you say. I think big daddy was mainly about changing the filters for the main index, and indexing more stuff to supplemental. Ever since big daddy, tons of stuff has gone into supplemental, I think they are still working on it, I continuously see DCs jump back to page results from months ago, I think it's them working on it.

    Just my guess, it's pretty much impossible to pin down exactly what they are doing, without being able to analyze hundreds of thousands of sites and where they currently rank.
     
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  8. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #28
    1. Big Daddy was not a one-shot update but more an update that went wrong followed by a series of still ongoing tweaks and patches

    2. Big Daddy was an infrastructure and hardware update, a major reorganization of the index and of crawling strategies

    3. I don't think currently there is any rhyme or reason to the main index versus the supplemental index at this point
     
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  9. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #29
    You can go supplemental, then change the page URL, and get accepted to (and stay in) the main Index. As Minstrel said, there does not appear to be any hard and fast rule! (then again in a base 5 sliding scale algorithm, NOTHING is hard and fast LOL)
     
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  10. gio

    gio Well-Known Member

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    #30
    I dont quite understand what it means.
     
    gio, Dec 21, 2006 IP
  11. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #31
    It means that dynamic sites have url strings that contain lots of parameters when they are drawn from the database. These are also known as query strings. These are the long urls you see in some sites. Google used to only spider up to about 3 instances.
     
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  12. PinoyIto

    PinoyIto Notable Member

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    #32
    Is there a way to get suplemental page out from suplemental page result? One of my site that averaging 10,000 unique a day, for what ever reason most of the index pages were become suplemental pages. And traffic drop to 100 unique a day :(
     
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  13. jakomo

    jakomo Well-Known Member

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    #33
    Hi,
    I have the same problem!!

    Best,
    Jakomo
     
    jakomo, Jan 8, 2007 IP
  14. sidvicios

    sidvicios Peon

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    #34
    Hi Good day.
    About supplementary as my find.Have some point
    1.Big problem for MFA "Contentdupplicate" you can re-wirte or make new a unique article.
    2.Metatag if you have more page same matatag you can go to supplemental
    3.Word density pls check you word if repeat more 12% pls removal
    4.Bot not like URL as have motre ? special charactor.

    Good way to get out supplemental.Pls check you self.May be sum help you.
     
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  15. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #35
    There most certainly is and a lot of us have figured it out. There is a way to fix it and it works. (ps matt told us all how too. ;))

    We applied one fix and got out of supplemental hell in one month. We implemented this in two different ways on two different sites in the same place as got the desired result.

    The URLs were not the problem it appears. Dupe content was and not in the sense one would think.
     
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  16. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #36
    Thanks for the "teaser". Now are you actually going to tell anyone your "secret" or just leave it there?
     
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  17. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #37
    You seem to know it all, you tell them. I just wanted to be clear you were talking out your ass.(again)
     
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  18. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #38
    So what exactly was the point of your post then?
     
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  19. whateverandever2

    whateverandever2 Peon

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    #39
    The Supp index is so friggin annoying, if you are put in there you get basically no SE traffic at all, and no-one seems to know why, makes me angry that I take ages doing a site only to find Google have put it in Supp for reasons I dont know when everything is unique and find the site just isnt worth it anymore as without SE traffic I am screwed.
     
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  20. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #40
    What was the point of your doom and gloom? I can only see that as a means to tell someone to give up hope. Though the reality is that the problem is fixable.

    Everyone that has this problem has been told how to fix it in any of many threads. However, most will apply more then one change and create new problems rather then do one change and wait a month. It's a difficult wait.

    So, my point was, it's fixable, people have been told how, and there's no need to buy into OMG you're just screwed cause google is flakey. Jezzz, Matt even told us how to fix it IIRC.
     
    noppid, Jan 18, 2007 IP