Just another PayPal Scam story ($2,500).

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Daz, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. #1
    This is a really good one at it too, and figured I'd share it with the digitalpoint community :)

    I sold a website, dazvideos.com.
    It made a very nice profit in the short time I had it, and needed some quick funds.
    I found a buyer for $2,500 on sitepoint.
    I gave him FTP access, upon which he sent the payment via paypal.
    Then I pushed the domain to his godaddy account, and thought the deal was over.

    I log back into paypal, and notice I have an 'unauthorized' claim against my account.
    I sent paypal 13 pages worth of logs, and had 4 conversations with a paypal representative. Each time they understood my side and garunteed me that this guy has no case.

    I just got back from a holiday and checked it out.
    Turns out I "Shipped" the "Item" to the wrong "adress".
    Being the paypal address the money also came from..

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    Can anyone explain this to me?

    Also I noticed its the guy who owns lmmfao.com.
    Take a look, the website is mirrored on dazvideos.lmmfao.com
     
    Daz, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  2. Austars

    Austars Active Member

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    #2
    So basically he bought your site, then made a claim and got all his money back? What a jerk.
     
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  3. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    #3
    Yep. And got away with it.
     
    Daz, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  4. Mr.tyro

    Mr.tyro Guest

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    #4
    for big deals i always do this save money trust me you will not loose cash at all.


    Make him pay you and claim and then cancel after that nothing he can do to get his cash back period.

    Becouse you are only alowed 1 claim per transaction so its cash in the poket.
     
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  5. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    Damn.. Never thought of that, and your sure it works?
     
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  6. WebProperties

    WebProperties Peon

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    #6
    That's an excellent suggestion, and yes...it would work.

    Once a claim has been "resolved", you can't reopen it.
     
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  7. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    Actually it was once, at first I believe it was a 'chargeback' and then moved to 'unauthorized' claim once that failed, the file had not 'fully' been closed yet, or something like that is what I was told.
    As you see that the log has 11 entries.
     
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  8. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    Tyro, I just looked into it and apparenlty you cant make claims against money you have received.. Only against money you sent.
     
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  9. SNap3

    SNap3 Peon

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    #9
    This is very sick. Call them. And take back the domain! Just email ICANN and GoDaddy and tell them what happend! or just claim you sent it away in an error!
    Try everything!

    Wish you luck!
     
    SNap3, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  10. empservices

    empservices Peon

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    #10
    I wouldn't give up so quickly. Ovbiously there was no item to send so they closed the request having incorrect information. Contact them again and ask them to reopen the case.

    Most importantly, however much you want to .... do not call them $#^$@!@!!#! or ##^%!%!@##^@! and especialy not !#!^%&!*! .... they tend to ignore emails like that. Continue to be professional and you might get yours back.
     
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  11. Disguised

    Disguised Notable Member

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    #11
    This is a good way to prevent chargebacks. Only one chargeback per transaction. Wish you best of luck.
    Man just don't give up, call those idiots (paypal) and tell them there was no item to ship and they should refund your money.
     
    Disguised, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  12. jimbo21

    jimbo21 Active Member

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    #12
    I agree. I mean $2500 is a lot of money to just watch get stollen out of your pocket. I wish I knew what you should do, but I don't. So best of luck to you.
     
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  13. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    I tried to be as professional as possible, I emailed paypal, godaddy, etc multiple times.
    I also called paypal 3 times I believe it was.
    Each time I was pretty much told there's nothing I can do.
     
    Daz, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  14. SNap3

    SNap3 Peon

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    #14
    Well, did you get your domain back?
     
    SNap3, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  15. hexadesigns

    hexadesigns Peon

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    #15
    Was the product a tangible one? I mean you really had to ship or was it a digital download? For digital downloads Paypal does nothing with buyers. No refunds (other than fraud credit cards). I had a dispute once where I bought a SDK and then found out it was not worth. Filed a claim, the seller informed "Digital product delivered", and Paypal closed the case.
     
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  16. Daz

    Daz Guest

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    No, actually I find it to be quite the opposite.
    I run a few websites that offer non tangible items for sale, and I regularly get chargebacks on almost a daily basis. Half the time I win, and the other half I dont. Paypals kinda sporadic like that.

    And no, I didn't get the domain back or anything.
     
    Daz, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  17. Richie_Ni

    Richie_Ni Illustrious Member

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    #17
    Wow,great idea!
    I know hostgator.com do this but I didn't know that why they did it when I bought host from them,now I got it!
    Thank you!
     
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  18. SNap3

    SNap3 Peon

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    #18

    Get it back then? Get in touch with ICANN and Where you hosted it and you will get it back. Claim it was in a misstake.
     
    SNap3, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  19. kjxsn

    kjxsn Active Member

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    #19
    Use 3. party sellers. Such as sedo.
     
    kjxsn, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  20. manish

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    #20
    Always use SEDO.com or Escrow.com for such deal.
     
    manish, Jan 18, 2007 IP