Yes, I have heard random reports of refunds. I am unsure what is going on, and like I have already suggested, you should contact him in regards to this matter. I have emailed everyone who purchased a link, except from one at "@coalhillmedia" which bounced, I am unsure if they are a member here or not so the only way they can find out is if they stumble upon this thread. Papaman, what you are saying still makes no sense. If I waited until all the links expired, I would be selling a site with no revenue. The value of which is nothing. The fact is 99.99% of new owners would honour the existing links. I would have said 100%, but I now know of one who won't. I find it funny that you think footodors has done you no wrong, even though he deleted your link. I don't get that. And when I said he/she, I am referring to footodors, not you. The name suggests a male, the paypal address suggests a female. EDIT: Wow I read slava's post and I agree. It does seem odd that you place NO responsibility whatsoever on footodors, yet all on me. Maybe there is some relationship in between you and him, I don't know. Everyone else can see that I made a mistake selling it to him/her, and probably should have made a contract (which I have never done before when selling or buying a site, as everyone have been good people and are true to their word). I will take blame for that. I will however take no responsibility for your link being deleted. That is completely out of my control. Out of curiosity though, and to basically prove your argument more invalid, I would like to know if everyone here signs contracts when selling or buying a site for less than $400? I know I haven't.
Of course there is NO relationship between me and footodor. I have spend so many time explaining you about who's responsible. I hope some know what I mean about who is responsible the first place. I also didn't get any refund, how about that. cheers
Everyone agrees you are wrong The law says you are wrong Therefore you are wrong How about you ask the person who deleted your link for a refund? From Footodors, Jan 12 Ask him and he should give you double back Also, nice of you to dodge the contract part, the part about me selling a site with no revenue if I did what you said, and about you still hold footodors on some sort of pedestal of morality and honesty. Why did you dodge all this? Because everything I said is true and you have made accusations you can't back up with facts. I have been polite in this so far, but you are testing my patience. I don't have a problem with you being angry. What I have a problem with is you solely blaming me even though the facts say otherwise (including the law) about who is responsible.
I will stop arguing with you dude because I have better things to do and spend my time. Those where the last $5 you got from me. You'll see that the next time you will come up with a link site that people will be more careful with you. I insist that this is your responsibility because I was your client and you didn't bother to tell me anything before the sale.
Yet again, dodging all my questions... You have better things to do with your time, like what, making threads to try and ruin my reputation? Giving me negative iTraders? Emailing everyone that purchased a link and tell them that I rip people off, and they should all negative red rep me like you did? I am happy for the emails that both you and I sent to be posted, would you agree to this, considering you have done nothing wrong or what some what call slightly immoral? No, you want to stop arguing because you have said too much with too little evidence. If you continue you will only dig yourself further into a ditch. Yes, you were my client. In a transfer of a business, all assets, liabilities and obligations are passed onto the new owner. You are arguing against the law.
Do you need evidence? Here we go: 1. You say that new owner is obligated by law to keep the links. Is there a signed paper about that? I don't think so. So, there is not about the Law. If, lets say, I sue the new owner, he will say that it was YOUR obligation to keep the links because YOU got the money from the clients. Is it so hard to understand?! In the court you will end up to PAY your "old" clients. Dude you should learn some more about the Legal part of this. 2. I was YOUR client and you are obligated to confront with the new owner, not me. You are saying that I must ask the new owner about a refund. WTF I paid money to you not him! 3. You sold the site without warning and I wake up and saw that my link is gone without warning! Is that enough for you? I can do that all day, the problem is that my English is not as good as yours and my explanations are a bit bad. You PM'ed the and told me I should finish the thread as I started it. Well, I tried before.... IMHO, all that mess is your fault because you sold the site without being obligated with your clients.-
Please! What you are saying is that if GoDaddy buys Dreamhost, and then cancels all Dreamhost's paying customers without warning, it is Dreamhost's fault, even though GoDaddy said they would keep the customers, and if they do remove their service for whatever reasont, they will refund the customers double what they paid? Actually, you need to learn the law. A business was transferred. All assets and liabilities are transferred to the new owner. Period. Answer for me these questions/statements you continually dodge: - Why do you not blame footodor one bit, who blatantly lied saying he would keep the links, then later saying he is going to remove them, but pay those who had a link twice what they paid - Emailing everyone involved (except footodor) and trying to persuade them to ruin my reputation by leaving red iTraders isn't exactly the most moral behaviour going around - You still dodged the part about me selling a site with no revenue as you suggested, which is completely ridiculous Guess what, I woke up and had a thread where you were trying to convince everyone I rip people off. Notice that since I replied, and there was more than just your side of the story, no-one has been blaming just me and not footodor? Not to mention I got my first negative iTrader. That's a bit of contradiction you have there. I didn't realise it was immoral to sell a website. It's not your english, its your facts. You are making statements with either no or incorrect facts. I pride myself on being honest, helpful and compassionate. I always strive to keep every promise and obligation I have. If you DARE call me a rip-off again, in any thread apart from this one, god help you.
If GoDaddy signs a paper that will say that Dreamhost IS obligated to keep them, so yes. Don't you agree on that? In your situation, you just ASKED from the new owner to keep the clients and of course he didn't because he is not legal obligated. "Signing papers" is different from "good faith from the new owner". Awesomeproxies is not Goddady BTW, so you should be very careful next time you sell a site to a scum. I don't care about footodors. Already answered, read my posts. Again, you are responsible with the situation and you are the one that must confront the new owner. Read my posts, I just said that you should waited until all the ads are fully served. Is that a threat? Are you in a position to threat people? I payed for an ad and my ad has gone. Why don't YOU tell footodor to give me back my money? Next time you will do anything wrong, I will be the first one to report you dude. We are in the same business and I don't like to handled like that.
Damn right that is a threat. I don't care whether you like me or not as a person, but my reputation is everything. If you unjustly try to ruin that I will come down on you with everything I've got. What is it you want? A refund? To try and ruin my reputation? To apologise for my mistake in selling the site to the wrong person? WELL SORRY FOR BEING HUMAN AND MAKING A MISTAKE Yes, I agree with the contract. I never said I didn't. I don't see what you aren't understanding. Footodors is legally responsible for all assets and liabilities of the business which he bought. Contract or no contract. I didn't ask him to leave the links, I told him. This was because I am also legally obligated to present him with all the details of the business so he can make an informed purchase. Do you think I would have sold this if I knew he would delete the links? As I have already stated, numerous times, which you OBVIOUSLY IGNORED, I have sent multiple PM's telling him about the links. The fact that you sent an email, trying to get everyone to red iTrader me has NOTHING to do with me confronting the owner. I don't even know how you drew a correlation between the two. Every single reply you said to the words which you quoted from me are either irrelevant or incorrect except for the last 2 lines. Yes, I am in a position to threaten you after the attack you have launched. You aren't even reading my posts, I HAVE CONTACTED HIM NUMEROUS TIMES. Do you even read what has been said in both email and in previous posts before posting?
after so many posts you finally accept your fault! That's a good sign. That's why you got your red. Because you where not obligated to my. You were not obligated to your clients. If my ad was being served then we were have no problem. That's why I say it's your fault. You're wrong here, if there is no contract he is not obligated. Ask a lawyer. My ad was suppose to exist to your site for two more weeks. That's your fault either you sell or not the site. You can threat as much as you like, I'm not going to be a part of this. period
My ONLY fault was picking a buyer who wasn't good. Anybody who was in my position would have done the same thing; he agreed to keep the links up so all was well and good. YOU ARE SO THICK AND TUNNEL VISIONNED IT IS UNBELIEVABLE!!!! YOU MAY NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, SO LOOK THIS WORD UP: LAW Footodors is LEGALLY obligated to keep your link up. It is IN NO WAY my fault he removed it. I have asked both my lawyer, plus my friend who is also a lawyer. What is so hard for you to understand. When you recieve a business, you are legally obtaining all of its assets and liabilities. I passed university accounting when I was still in high school, I know how it runs. I asked my lawyer. I asked my friend. I even googled it. I gave you a god damn refund and you still won't shut up, nor even mention it to anyone, you still make it seem like I am bad. I am not obligated to give you a refund at all. But I'm a nice guy, despite the prick you have been to me. Have you even said thanks, or removed your red iTrader, or even edited it to say had some troubles due to someone else so I forked out money from my own pocket to compensate? NO. SO F*** YOU. I have complete lost it with you. You are infuriating!!! You are SO stubborn, so arrogant and SUCH A CONTRADICT
First of all I didn't saw the refund because I'm not in my office right now. That's what you had to do the first place even for $5 and nothing of all this would happen. Why didn't you refund me one week ego, before you sell the site? You didn't because you believed footoddors will keep the links. Sorry man, this is not how business should be done. How did you expect to keep his promises. The only way to achieve that is CONTRACT. You didn't had one, so it's your mistake. We are saying the same things here. Also you should be very careful to WHO you send your insults. The F word is not an attitude for an Internet Entrepreneur like you. Did I swear on you? NO. Come here face to face and use those words dude and I will saw you how I treat people like you. Watch out of those words dude. You are mistaken once, and now that's your second mistake with the F word. I'm waiting for an apology because I'm not some teenager you can go around and insult. Maybe I'm stubborn, but that's because I have a point on what I'm saying. Read all my previous posts and you will understand. (I'm waiting for an apology mate)
What don't you get?! No contract was needed. When you buy a business, you get all assets and liabilities. END OF STORY. PERIOD. THE END. The links were no longer my responsibility as of January 8, but the new owners. He removed the links after January 8, therefore I am in the right. What part of FOOTODOR IS OBLIGATED BY LAW is SOOOOOOO hard for you to understand. You are arguing against law - both stupid and pointless. That means he gets the links and is obligated to keep them on BY LAW. This has nothing to do with me and any verbal agreements we had. The only thing I was obligated to do by law was notify him of all liabilities the business has which I fulfilled. No, we are NOT saying the same thing. I am not at fault. I should have picked a different buyer, however that doesn't excuse that footodors broke the law. I can't see what is so difficult about understanding that Why the hell would I refund you when I sold the site? Again, what you are saying makes NO sense and if you are in business, especially anything to do with management, I am extremely surprised considering your lack of basis knowledge of not only how businesses operate, but how transfers take place. Furthermore, you can't even understand that it was impossible to sell the site for anything remotely of value if I had removed all the links. Hundreds of sites are sold with links inplace on this forum every week. You obviously have no concept of what you are talking about. For an internet entrepreneur like you, you jump the gun and try and ruin peoples reputations. Then you email everyone and try and get them onboard. I don't know about you, but I have received rep in support, it doesn't count towards anything though because its in the general chat section, however it shows that people agree with me. Wow, you want me to take you on face to face. You are also a budding internet entrepreneur. Yet again - CONTRADICT I have NEVER been mistaken in this argument, and I NEVER lose arguments. Why? BECAUSE IF I CAN'T BACK MYSELF UP WITH FACTS, I WON'T EVEN GET INTO AN ARGUMENT TO START WITH. You provide no facts, just fluffy opinions. Opinions mean nothing dealing with this type of stuff. I PROVIDE FACTS AND DETAILS. I PROVIDE REFERENCES. YOU PROVIDE JACK ALL BUT YOUR OPINIONS. I am not apologising to you. I have nothing to apologise for. I don't care if you are 10 or 100. Everything suggests that you have little knowledge about business, little knowledge of the law surrounding business, and you have no clue how to go about sorting problems. All of which points to you have little experience in dealings such as this, and business in general
We are arguing for the legal side of the story. Can you tell me what is that LAW that obligates the new owner to keep the links? There is not such a LAW man! The only way to give responsibilities to the new owner for my Ad is to make a CONTRACT. I was your client and YOU must apologize to me. You said you asked your lawyer about that and he told you that is not your responsibility. Wrong! Let's say your links cost not $5 but $5000. If the same thing was happened and you didn't fully delivered my Ad and you sell the site, I will probably sue you. Without a Contract (as you did) the new owner would say to the trial that it is not responsible because I wasn't his client and the two of you didn't had any kind of contract. I was your client before the sell. What would you say to the trial dude? "Excuse me but footodor TOLD me that he will keep the links" ???. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW DUDE?????? Come on! I might not be so good in English but you got the point. I know about Legal and Laws. Apologize for the F word dude! You already apologized for the mistaken sell. Search all my posts on that thread and you will find many facts and references from me also. Can you please tell me why your opinions count as facts and my opinions are worthless? Do you want one more time to tell you a sure FACT? MY AD WASN'T DELIVERED. I DON'T CARE IF YOU SOLD THE SITE. thats a fact dude. Search on the internet about me and you will find nothing wrong with my personality. I own a Web Design and Hosting Company here in Greece and I have only satisfied clients. I also started a proxy network one month ego, as an experiment, and it's getting good. I didn't just wake up one day and started to blaming people. Also I don't use the F word dude and I still wait for an apology. * It's my opinion and a fact (and for many people) that you made a mistake with Awesomeproxy. * It's also a fact that my ad didn't delivered and I had to find that myself. You didn't bothered contacting me the first place about the new owner that deleted the ads. You only contacted after I found what you did.
That's an attitude! -1 rep from rochow! Why is that? Is because you can't stand with the accusations? Is because I'm not a good trader for you? If I remember, I pay you $5 and you posted my Ad. So, what's wrong now? I don't remember I had any other trade with you? WOW, "Very bad buyer". Why am I a bad buyer dude? Because I want to get what I payed for? "Did not thank for the refund" You lier! You refund me TODAY AFTER 1 WEEK MY AD HAD BEEN DELETED!!!! Why didn't you iTraded me 3 weeks ago, when I payed you for the Ad? Because then I was a good buyer ah?
You want facts, here are facts: - You don't care if I sold the site. See. That is an error in your thinking. What you don't get is that I have NO control over the site - I am using facts, such as the fact that when you buy a business, you get all assets and liabilities of that business - Fact that if it was for $5,000 there would have been a contract regardless - Fact that you do not hold footobars wrong even the slighest despite him delete your links (originally you said he was a scammer aswell, then later you said it wasn't him only me) - Fact, I red iTrader'd you in return because you are a shocking buyer - Fact, you did not thank me for giving you $5 - Fact, when you buy a business, you get all assets and liabilities. You get everything of the business. When I make an agreement with a customer, I am a representative of the business. You didn't make an agreement with me, you made an agreement with awesomeproxies. Therefore when footodors became the owner and representative of awesomeproxies, the link rests in his control. The agreement in between you and awesomeproxies never changed. This is basic facts about Sole Trading, you should touch up on that. - Fact, you consistently blame me, say you had an agreement with me, when in reality no such agreement existed, you had an agreement with awesomeproxies - Fact, you emailed everyone who had purchased a link and encouraged them to red iTrader me - Fact, not one of them has given me a red iTrader yet - Fact, my lawyer knows more than you do about law Ofcourse I am talking about this from a legal perspective, that is all there is to it. Legally, you made an agreement with awesomeproxies for a month long link, not with me. When footodors bought awesomeproxies, that agreement still existed. You never made an agreement with me. My role as owner is to act on behalf of the business. I am not the business. You made an agreement with the business. Therefore if the agreement is broken, the business has not held its end of the agreement. And then it is the owner of the business when the agreement is broken that is at fault. I would love for you to sue me. Watching you lose your money, plus pay my legal fees, would be great entertainment. There is where you are confused. You are not my client. You are awesomeproxies client. I hope that makes things alot clearer about the agreement being in between you and awesomeproxies, not you and me
Yes, you got a well deserved iTrader. You emailed everyone and tried to get them to red iTrader me - very immoral Then you make this thread and try and get everyone against me - very immoral You cannot see that you made an agreement with awesomeproxies, not me, which is why I am not responsible, but the current owner of the business who removed the links I gave you a refund out of my own pocket. awesomeproxies owes you $5, not me. Last time I checked awesomeproxies was owned by footodors, not me Yes that is it. I can't stand the accusations. Why? Because they are subjective, immoral, and most of all, incorrect. EDIT: Anyway dude, you have taken over half an hour and still haven't replied. Its late here and I'm going to bed, I'll reply in the morning. It would be nice to get a third parties opinion
Did I got the red because I wasn't a good buyer or because you don't agree with me? This is not how iTrader works dude. I was a good buyer and payed you. iTrade is used for SELLING/BUYING REPUTATION not for arguments. Because you can't sort out things here you start -1 rep. One of them contacted me and said that he don't bother because he only spend $1. So what if we have spend $5000? Didn't you get your money first place? I think I paid you.
Papaman, why cant you understand that in the moment the new owner said that he would keep the the links, he is obligated to do so, by law. I don`t know where you live, but it must be the only place in the world that don`t accept any agreements other than written on paper as legally binding. Everywhere else in the world PM`s, oral or emails agreements are legally binding and obligates you to follow the agreement or you can be taken to court. Its not 1950 anymore, its 2007, wake up.