The Pagerank (PR) Thread

I actually saw 3 "movement" (if there's such word), something like PR0 at certain DCs and PR5 at other DCs. So can this be considered an update? But other sites seem "stable" with no "movement".

What does if it mean if for the same domain name, it says PR0 Cached=Yes and PR5 Cached=Yes? If indeed it's an update, it'll be Cached=No, correct?

http://livepr.raketforskning.com/?u=uluwatu.org
http://livepr.raketforskning.com/?u=java.uluwatu.org
http://livepr.raketforskning.com/?u=www.malaysiahotelreview.com

 

81 pages of drivel doesn't make the drivel more meaningful, just lengthy.

Dave

 

Well, it wasn't all drivel.

Also, in this case, since the statement was "meaningful to alot of people", then yeah, length does matter.

-Michael

 

And my original statement was in reply to...

Hmmm... better rankings but no change in PR.

Wonder what that might suggest?

Dave

 

The fuss about toolbar PR is that it shows to the world your site has PR

You could have more PR than myspace, but unless its shown on the toolbar no-one will believe you

That also applies when you buy links. Just because a page is PR4 in the toolbar doesn't mean the actual PR of the page your link is on is PR4... it just means it was when the update happened. It could now be 1,6, even 0, who knows

 

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't quote me in your drivel.

 

That you don't see the actual PR on the toolbar that is stored at the 'plex for SERP calculations.

 

Toolbar PR is an export of the actual Google internal PR converted into the 1-10 scale seen in green.

This is a given.

It tells you what? Nothing when it comes to ranking.

Dave

 

Don't want to be quoted?

Don't post.

Dave

 

Since when? I would love to see some documentation of that!

 

Hehehehe...

Be right back.

Dave

 

Here's the latest...

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/new-toolbar-pageranks-visible/

Didn't go back and to find all the others but, toolbar PR is and has been an export of internal PR converted into the green we see.

Been this way since... well since we've been able to see PR.

Dave

 

Remember - the toolbar is a poor representation - only being an integer - of the PR they have access to at the plex. Consider for a moment the difference between a PR 6.1 and a 6.9 - that is a huge difference, but most likely they would both show up in the toolbar as a PR6. So, first you are losing a great deal of information for the integer representation of PR. Secondly - and perhaps most importantly, the very second that they begin the export of the PR to the toolbar - that is HISTORICAL DATA. Since PR is in everflux - always being updated, the moment it is published it is out of date.

These are the issues to which I am referring.

 

Did I not say it is the internal PR converted into the 1-10 green scale we see?

Did I not *hint* that what we see does not influence SERP's when the question was asked?

Dave

 

Actually, it's out of date even before then. It is a representation from a given snapshot (or, in the case of this update, what looks like any one of several snapshots). These snapshots are anywhere from 3 weeks to several months old, apparently.

However, PR is still meaningful and useful, even if it is historical.

-Michael

 

Did someone say it was real time?

Dave

 

I think my point is - (not sure what my point is..) - that it is impossible correlate the effect of PR on SERPs, because SERPs we can see in real-time the positioning of a site; however, we only ever have a historical (perhaps even months old at times) representation of PR.

 

Which is exactly what I suggested with my posts.

Even added the *hint* *hint* part just in case my point was being missed.

Dave

 

Hey, I understand ya.

Dave, you were implying that since there was a change in SERPs and not in the visible PR that it was further proof that there is no correlation between PR and SERPs. That part would be wrong, but I think what you were trying to say is that people shouldn't get excited about PR updates, since they don't affect SERPs... am I right?

Either way, people who understand PR and it's inter-relation to the big picture do garner insights from these updates, not to mention that often times other updates accompany PR updates, so it's definitely something to watch, if you happen to be into that sort of thing.

-Michael