how to avoid supplemental results

Discussion in 'Google' started by kh7, Jan 12, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi, I know Matt Cutts has just thrown sand in all our eyes to the effect that supplemental results are nothing to worry about - but for those who realize they still want to keep the bulk of their pages out of that index:

     
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    thetafferboy83 Active Member

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    Sups are mainly based on PR. From Matt Cutt's blog post:

    "..the main determinant of whether a url is in our main web index or in the supplemental index is PageRank."
     
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  3. kh7

    kh7 Peon

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    #3
    yes - but if you are in supplemental you still want to get out as fast as possible. And the page I linked to gives detailed tips on how to do that: like leveraging higher PR you have elsewhere on your site.
     
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    commandos Notable Member

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    a while ago i had a site that got 95% of the pages in the supplemental results .

    i checked stats and nothing changed , i dont think supplemental results could cause problem in matter of traffic .
     
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    my whole directory was in supplemental hell, i put a description in all categories as a unique....and put it in meta description tag, all those pages are out of supplemental results which have unique description.... so i think the best idea to avoid supplemental results is to make every page unique
     
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  6. kh7

    kh7 Peon

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    That's one of the tips on there. Make the descriptions and titles as unique as you can. Don't copy paste and change just a few words. It also says to make the description long enough (like 50+ words).
     
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    Well, if you want to increase traffic - you'd have to get the majority of those pages out of supplemental (if they are unique).
     
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    How can you tell pages are in the supplemental index?
     
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    I get lots of traffic from Google to my supplemental pages. and they all have PR
     
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    That can make no effect at present, but somehow influent on ranking/traffic in the nearest future. I mean that supplements can be a beta of some G's new technology....
     
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  11. kh7

    kh7 Peon

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    #11
    If people actually read that post I linked to they would know there are different types of supplemental. There is the type that just shows in the serps when you search for something generic (like your site-name). This is really nothing to worry about.
    There is also the kind where pages of your site get crawled less and only shown WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THEIR NORMAL INDEX that fits that query. This is something to worry about and it is already implemented as well.
     
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    Thats good to know because I just made a site using all possible white hat SEO and still ended up in the supplemental.

     
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    #13
    What do this tip has to deal with the supplements?
     
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    There may be a variety of reasons that a page may be placed in the supplemental index, however, there is only one supplemental index.

    The biggest change to the supplemental index is that perfectly good pages get placed there because of their link profile.

    Currently, all DC's except 1, are using the supplemental index in the very same way it has always been used. Dipping into it only when they cannot find enough matches in the regular index to form a data set. In the single DC, the supplemental index is being dipped into when they cannot find enough "good matches" in the regular index. For example, 3 word queries where only 2 words match. This could likely be the trend in 2007.

    Dave
     
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    I don't understand how unique content can be thrown into the supp index. Lately i've noticed people using phrase matches landing on pages of mine that are in the supp index. and i'm the only person who has that content. No one else. This isn't made up jargon or anything. But still, that page as a whole (and it's other content, some also unique some not) gets tossed into supp entirely. I will say i'm not overly concerned about it. As google is either going to give the user results or not. And fuq em if they don't want to cough up anything for users. But i don't see how other sites would rank better given i have exact unique match over them. Hence, user being forced to use "" - Every time i see a user forced to use "" to actually find what they are looking for (that lands on my page) i wonder wtf google is smoking with everyone else who isn't in supp, seemingly ranks better, and doesn't have near the exact/unique match
     
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    #16
    Why do you think that originality of content guarantees avoiding supplements? Get more valuable inbound links, rise PR of your site and pages of your site will get out of supplements. Again, it was mentioned somewhere in this thread that there are two types of supplements - first type won't influence your rankings and second type will, so there's nothing to worry about (at least at the moment) if your site keeps to usual positions in SEPRs.
     
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  17. JKE

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    I guess i'm bias in thinking when users put something into an engine, they are looking more-so for an exact match vs randomly found word matches on a page. And regarding PR, last few months i can't even keep track of the amount of inbound links i have, it's damn near incalculable
     
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    #18
    While you are correct that more, as Matt Cutts and Adam Lasnik phrase it, "quality links" is a way to get good pages out of the supplemental index, there are NOT two types of supplemental results as has been described.

    Dave
     
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  19. JKE

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    I think my problem may be the links aren't 'quality' enough. (Still, there's the other 'issue') -- i just plain won't pay for fucking links is my problem. Although i have gotton more then a few free good ones here and there, even a gov, seems to be more specific to links pointing specifically to certain pages then the site as a whole.
     
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    I mentioned "two types of supplements" because they were mentioned in this thread. Previously I've never heard about supposition of their existence.
     
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