744,000 Homeless In U.S.

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  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #61
    You claim to be Christians and you support those actions, it doesn't matter if you are not getting your hand dirty because you are to afraid to actually fight, you are still supporting actions which result in death of innocent civilians.
     
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    math20 Peon

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    #62
    Exactly, government inefficiencies and beurocrasy never helped anyone become wealthy.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #63
    LOL. Free trade. :D :D

    Have you ever heard about softwood lumber problem when USA enforced protectionist custom duties and even after your government lost in every possible court case, they were still insisting in keeping the custom duty and the money collected. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #64
    No one supports the active seeking out of civilians to kill/torture/whatever, but in the process of trying to defeat an enemy such things may happen.

    I am not saying I support the war, but it's supporters do not believe in the things you are saying.
     
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  5. math20

    math20 Peon

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    #65
    I think that is a retarded policy, but overall the US is better than Canada when it comes to freedom.
     
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    #66
    exactly!

    Since when does having more government employees equals more for others? If we tax more to get money for the homeless and hire thousands of gov't type employees who then produce nothing, to push papers that determine whether someone gets so much money, at a very high pay rate with extreme benefits, how much of the money actually goes to the need?
    maybe 1% ?

    it is completely assinine to fuction this way, we already do this with the welfare system that does very little to actually help people.

    Oregon has a medical system for the poor, that needless to say I still qualify for (at least my kids do) but it is a broke system that has only hurt the system as a whole.
     
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    #67
    Yes I claim to be a Christian and No I have never supported those actions. You are beyond an idiot sometimes, unless you are just trying to argue for argues sake.
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #68
    Actually, that's what you are doing. You want the US to pull out of Iraq so terrorists can take over.

    Let's take a sneak peak at what would happen when you get your wish:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090500313_pf.html
    There you go, gworld. That's what you want. The US to pull out, so these kind of people can take over. You should be ashamed.
     
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    #69
    The keyword in this thread is.....PIOUS.
     
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    #70
    Amen. And to think there's still homeless in Canada ;)
     
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    #71
    I cannot speak for the statistics in the USA, Canada or anywhere else, but I was homeless for quite a while in the UK and it is not a simple thing to fix - anyone who says it is clearly has no concept of what it is like to be in the poverty trap. Throwing money at the situation is not enough - and for the record, I was not a drug addict or an alcoholic or someone who made bad financial decisions. I did not run away from home or get kicked out. I simply had my home taken away from me for various reasons. and due to my living in the south east of England I could not afford to rent anywhere with my crappy job.

    Part of the problem with trying to find housing for people in my hometown who were homeless was that the Thatcher government had sold off a huge amount of council housing which at the time seemed like a great idea but now we're seeing just how stupid it was. The huge influx of immigrants coming into the country has piled on the pressure and unfortunately, British nationals are being shunted to one side to make room for others - something which is causing a great deal of racism. I remember seeing plenty of empty flats/houses available and upon asking why they were not being filled, I was told that they were reserved for asylum seekers and immigrants.

    My baby and I slept in a car, parks, shelters, safe houses and eventually were given some place to live - not once did they take into consideration the fact that I was moving daily to find new places to sleep with a newborn baby; I had no help from social services whatsoever. As a result of poor living conditions, my baby spent the first three winters of her life in hospital with pneumonia and other respiratory conditions and when I complained I was told to stop being ridiculous and just be grateful.

    Homelessness is a big issue no matter how affluent your country is - there will always be a divide between the rich and the poor and there is a certain amount of re-education required for both sides. I do not know that the answer is, but I do know that it takes more than a newspaper full of jobs and a cheque to fix it up for good.
     
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    #72
    It was a good post and it showed that people can end up in a difficult situation without being a drug addict. I agree with you that there will be a divide between the rich and the poor but it does not take away our responsibility as a society to guarantee the basic human needs such as food, shelter and medicine for every member of our community. While this may be not possible in every country, in the western world we have the necessary resources to do that.
     
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    #73
    So Gworld, maybe you should tell us how the USA should solve its homeless problem.
     
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    #74
    Thank you, Jekka, I too have experienced homelessness in my life. Which is why I now volunteer my services at the very place where I once slept on the floor. And I know how a merciful God has worked in my life.

    gworld you seem a very young or very immature person to me.
    When I wrote only the following and nothing more:

    You replied:

    You need to stop flip-flopping, stop trying to insult, and really care about such serious problem more than your own rhetoric before you start flapping your lips.

    ;)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #75
    If you stop for a minute and think instead of praise lord this and praise the lord that, you will see that the problem is not that difficult. About 2 years ago I gave a house to a city in central Canada to use as shelter for homeless. The capital cost if I had to borrow the money would be about $6000/year. For the insurance, repairs, property tax I pay about $3000/year. The total cost for me is about $9000/year. This house has 8 rooms that houses 8 people. The cost for providing a room for each person per month will be $9000/8/12=$93.75. This is less than a good dinner cost for me. :rolleyes:

    USA has spent at least $350,000,000,000 on Iraq war, so far which could provide housing for 3,500,000,000 month. Lets estimate the number of homeless at 1,000,000 which means they could have a housing for 3500 month or 291 years. We could provide a shelter for every homeless in USA for 3 century with what this war has cost so far and this is assuming the government cost is not lower than mine because of the scale. :rolleyes:
     
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    #76
    In order for every homeless person to be helped through the method your are suggesting, they would all have to accept said help. A lot will not accept that help so you would end up having to use force to make everyone live in some sort of shelter which is ridiculous.

    Also, it is immoral to force people to pay for this "help the homeless" campaign with funds stolen from them as well as unconstitutional(10th amendment).
     
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    #77
    You are right, I am sure all of them have the possibility to stay in Hilton but they make choice to stay in street in rain and snow and freeze to death. :rolleyes:

    In the second part, you are also right. It is totally immoral and unconstitutional to use the money for helping American citizens when it can be put to a better use like producing weapons, raping women and bombing civilians and killing children. I wonder what the majority of Americans will chose if they had a choice to decide for the use of their tax money? But of course a true "Christian" like would think that killing women and children is more moral and worthier cause. :rolleyes:
     
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    #78
    Spoken like a true arm-chair general with a silver spoon in his mouth.

    This is truly a worthy thing you have done. And I leave my initial response to you in place to show how wrong we can be about someone.

    Now, if you could only stop stepping on your dick and judging others in your spiteful haughty manner for their faith and the works they do by doing what they can and spreading His love in the only way they know how: Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    We might actually have something.

    we might actually have something.
     
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    #79
    Here is how we can cure the homeless problem in the United States, its really pretty simple we stop sending money to the socialist govt in canada and give that money to the homeless in the USA.
     
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    #80
    You assume that it is one or the other and all the money that the government gets has to be spent on some programs, I say that we should be focused on eliminating spending not increasing it.

    There are plenty of homeless shelters and soup kitchens where I live but there are still people begging for money on the street corner, having opportunity does not mean people will take it.
     
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