FOREX - Can we makes monies?

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  1. kastro_316

    kastro_316 Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Dear Sir,

    You are correct, there are many people making great money trading forex, but also people losing BIG money.

    My advice - take it or not - is this: If you want to make good money trading forex, treat it with great respect. Start small, start with demo accounts, starting learning math/analysis and test out trading systems on DEMO accounts, then graduate to mini accounts. Oanda has a great demo.

    Be cautious, have a great risk management plan, and learn from your losses.

    I wish everyone luck in trading Forex. PM me or sysop if you have any general questions.

    Take care :)

     
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  2. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #42
    Dear Sir,

    You are also right, anyone who want to trade in Forex or Share Market should have their own risk management plan. They also should create their own chart and graph to analyse their trading performance and looses.

    Demo account is a must in learning Forex. There are many demo account (trial basis or virtual account) for you to test.

    Oanda, FXCM, Interbankfx, Marketiva and others are giving demo account. Try it first. You can always goes back here for any ideas, discussion, tips, tricks and information.

    Hope that this thread will spark the mood for you to trades in Forex.
     
    sysop, Jan 4, 2007 IP
  3. fmp2x

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    #43
    Just wanted to say thanks for the discussion. I am interested in learning more and will certainly pursue the links given. Great info!!
     
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  4. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Let me add something here for everyone. Forex market is not for quick money however there is a chance to earn quick money but chance to lose big are more. Forex market is not for people who inpatient... You really really have to wait to see money coming in unless you are gambling @ forex which is really really risky but some people are lucky though but very few :D:D:D
     
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  5. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #45
    Yes, you're right. The good forex trader should always study their move, select the proper tools, analysed the trend and follows the news. If you think you want to jump to Forex bandwagon, please... I said please... do it properly and prepared you personal risk management plan.

    By the way, for novice or newbies forex trader, you should always try use the virtual account or dummy account provided by any online forex broker.

    FYI, on 3rd January 2007, GBP/JPY pair is moving down meaning that JPY is strong besides GBP. I've start to short (buy JPY and sell GBP) at 234.77 and yesterday I managed to get 595 pips because it goes down until 228.86. Therefore, I managed to earn about USD$50.16 with USD$10 investment. Thats good for me.
     
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  6. The Evil Penguin

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    #46
    congrats mate:)
     
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  7. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #47
    Dear Sir/Madam/Miss,

    Thank you....
     
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  8. bluearrow

    bluearrow Well-Known Member

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    #48
    Thanks sysop, kastro_316 and all the others who posted their views, opinions and many helpful resources. the thread made me curious to learn more about FOREX. anyway there are no such things as money making machines without doing anything. its about the investment, time and hard work.
     
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  9. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #49
    You're welcome,

    Forex is about how foreign exchange works. The more you know the trend, flows, news, currency echange, political stability, oil price and weather, the more you will know the effect it brings to the forex flows.

    All forex brokerage are same in one's term but the regulatory of each bodies might have some mix due to the services their provides.

    Anyway, as what I've experience in forex trading, you should always check and follows the trend of these currency pair.

    1. EUR/USD
    2. GBP/USD
    3. USD/JPY
    4. USD/CHF
    5. GBP/JPY

    Look at the candlestick graph and check when the currency is overbuy or oversell. Check also what trigger it to overbuy or oversell.
     
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  10. OD69

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    #50
    Don't do it!
    99% of you will lose money, guranteed.

    I should get a rep point for this, this is the best advice I will EVER give here.

    Go to any trading/investing forum and find out how hard it really is.
     
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  11. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #51
    Dear Sir/Madam/Miss,

    No offense to you whatsover.

    Do you ever trades in Forex? Could you please point out you justification for your advice? Yes, everyone can lose their money trading in forex. It's also the same like everyone can also failed the university exam.

    But if you study well, you can score in exam, same as if you don't study and analysed the trend well enough, you may loose in forex trading.

    You see, sometimes people tend to give bad impression to others eventhough they don't even try it at first.

    By the way, no offense to you at all.
     
    sysop, Jan 5, 2007 IP
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  12. OD69

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    #52
    Yes, I have been trading since 1989.
    Equities, futures, options, derivatives, fx...
    Basically most of the financial instruments available.
    Had my own trading firm even.

    DP members would help themselves more by providing better content on their wbsites than throwing away good money into the unforgiving market. Even in the trading world, only about 7% of all PROFESSIONAL traders make money. You think you can take money from them? That's like us ranking better than one of the "real" SEO gurus.

    Ever wonder why there is still no "Holy Grail" of making money online? Nobody will share that information! We need an "edge" on the competition in almost any business. That's what we call it in trading, "edge". No body will share that info if they run into one.

    You're promoting your business and that's great, but it's my duty as a DP member to tell everyone that trading is one of the MOST difficult jobs there is and most people fail. Promote something that'll be USEFUL for the membership, not give them false hopes of making easy money from the markets. Having said all of that...

    If you are not promoting your product, and are seriously interested in trading for more than just a hobby, then my apologies, good luck and take this thread to a Yahoo investing forum. If you were truly just interested in FX trading, I think you would have started this in a trading forum, but who am I to judge?

    The rest of you, put your money away, you'll thank me one day. Or you can donate your $, the market does not discriminate.:rolleyes:

    If you're investing, that's another story.

    Now back to our regular programming:
    How to create multiple income streams with low stress.
    I should make that into an ebook. :p

    Now you know I'm a newb, not a single link on my post of all these juicy words and phrases!
     
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  13. sysop

    sysop Peon

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    #53
    Dear Sir/Madam/Miss,

    This thread is supposely giving everybody a chance to know a little bit of trading in Forex. It's not a money making super promising thread as per said.

    Trading in Forex is personal as you own your money and invested whenever or wherever you like. Eventhough this thread is not for everyone, maybe this thread will gives an insight about Forex and how to eventually trades using it.

    Even SEO's gurus didn't make much money from "contextual ads" as they said either in their website or ebooks. Some SEO's gurus eventually make more money either selling product (i.e ebook or digital product) or thru auction.

    Yes, some SEO's gurus make money via "contextual ads" but for normal people in DP there are little chance they can make a buck per day via now so many traffic on the website.

    Some website is full with SEO techniques and good traffic, but low click thru ratio. I don't want to give a baseless information about SEO or any "contextual ads" tricks.

    But as per said earlier, Forex gives everybody a chance to make money if the player (trader) plays smart. Yes, in term on any investment, you can make money or you can lose money.

    Even the big player lose their money. Everybody knows that.

    This thread should stay in this General Business categories, as what I mention earlier, this is a general thread of ideas and not to specifically in Forex. This thread is for information only.

    Yes, there is no "Holy Grail" on making money online because there is no such thing. But.... what I'm talking here is not money making machine... It's about trading.. It's about Forex... I know many out there want to know what Forex is all about.

    If you don't agree or have another point of views, I salute you. That's because we can't pleased others as human will have their own POV.

    P/S ... Multiple income streams with low stress.... are you kidding?
     
    sysop, Jan 6, 2007 IP
  14. tridean

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    #54
    Hi,
    I have been trading Forex for about 3-4 years.

    Here is what I have learnt.

    You can make 10-20% per month, but it takes about 2-5 years to create that kind of return. If that seems like a long time, then so does working in a factory for 45-50 years.

    Why most fail.

    Because they buy other's systems. It won't work. Let me give you an example.

    You see an Ad or sales page, web site etc, promising to show you how to make five figure income per month trading Forex. OK, that sounds good, but how the hell can you make five figure income if your capital balance is less than $100,000. Does the author of this course know that every single person who buys his book has over $100,000.

    So you decide to buy this guys book. After reading it you realize that in order to trade his system, you need to be at the computer between 5am and 10am London time. If you live in the US in New York area, that means being up at after midnight. That's no good is it.

    You also notice that this system has a entry criteria that is 70% accurate, yet it has no exit plan. So what in effect this guy is selling you is a back tested system that triggers and goes in the desired direction 70% of the time. But when are you supposed to get out of the trade? Do you want to make a quick trade, say 5mins to an hour, or do you want to hold on to your trades for weeks.

    Of all the money being made in this industry, about 1-2% are traders (and they make up about 2-5% of all traders), and the rest is people selling systems and courses, and market makers. I hope this opens your eyes. Just the last two weeks I saw my market maker (my broker platform) deliberately take out all stop positions on the AUD/USD pair that were above .79. This is how they make thier money, not just on spreads.

    Now let's look at YOU the trader.

    One of the things I have learned that is common between all the successful traders is that they have their own unique trading system, that they have built themselves. If you don't know who you are, then you wont know what trading system to build or aquire for yourself.

    Here's an example.

    Let's say you don't like multiple choice, and you also don't like making decisions. This means that you have to pick a market that doesn't offer that many choices, and you also have to look at a system that doesn't require too much discretion, such as a mechanical system. Now if you are one of the many who get sucked into a great sales page, promising to make you rich through trading, you're going to end up paying good money for a trading system that may trade lots of currency pairs and be based on a method of top down analysis where you have to look at higher time frames to determine a trend, then look to lower time freames to determine an entry based on your analysis of the higher time frame trends. If you're the sort of person I described above, you are going to hate this system!

    Most people do not do the self analysis part first and this is where they come undone. My father bought stocks a few years ago for the first time in his life. He bought them for the long term, ie, he wanted to see if he could just get a better return than a savings account over 6 months to a year. What he did was watch those stocks like a hawk every day, every hour which is just absurd. It caused him that much stress he now thinks the stock market is a scary place. What he should have done straight away as soon as he noticed he couldn't take his eyes off the screen was to sell his stocks and invest that money in a managed fund that had a good track record. His goal would have been met and he would'nt have stressed out.

    Some people like watching screens all day and it doesn't affect them, where as other's can not. Some people like fundamental analysis, other don't. Some don't mind multiple choice, other's hate it. Some people prefer to be discretionary with picking their trades, other's want a set of strict rules that require no decision making. Some want long term results, some want short term and so on. Unless you know who you are you are destined for the scrap heap.

    I am a coach but my methods are not to teach trading systems but to teach self analysis so that the trader knows what system to look for. I give away a fair bit of free information on my web site relating to designing a system to suit the trader and using self analysis, and you know what, most people just ignore it. And that doesn't surprise me one bit because people want magic bullets and they are not courageous enough to own up to their weaknesses. Once you know your weaknesses, you are 90% of the way to becoming successful in the markets.
     
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  15. sysop

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    #55
    Yeah.. all trader should understand the Forex strategies and fundamentals. They also should know about their strength and fears.

    Analysed the forex trends, checked the candlestick graph and make you own choices and move. The forex manual or instruction is for guidance only. The loose and win is real. No tricks involved in forex trading. Some may win and some may lose.

    That's why there're virtual or demo account for everyone to test it first without investing any money. Try it until you think that you're ready to live trading. Some's may try it until a year... some others in 6 month...
     
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  16. tridean

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    #56
    Hi Sysop,
    That's exactly right, you need to test the waters and get a feel for it, but I can also tell you this -

    I can throw a dart at a dart board, and make my decisions to buy and sell based purely on what side of the dart board it lands on and make more money than someone with a black box system, or a complex method with all sorts of whistle and bells attached, simply because I manage my exits and my position sizing better, or at least place importance on them.

    Your actual trading criteria (what gets you into the trade) makes up only about 10% of what you need as a trader.

    I'd also say that you must have a burning desire to trade. It's not good enough to want to make money from trading, you must WANT to become a good trader. It's like trying to make money from the internet. If all you want is to make money, then neither trading nor building an internet business is going to work. You must have a burning desire in you to see yourself as a success.
     
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  17. sysop

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    Hi Tridean,

    Yup... the desire to success is the keyword. There are no simplified way to success. Only the hard way...
     
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  18. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #58
    What are the best brokers with low spreads good graphs and customer support :)
     
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    sysop,

    Nice affiliate link on your signature :D
     
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  20. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    Marketiva is great but you cannot open account if you are from US so useless for me. :eek:
     
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