Professor: Muslim men can't control themselves, women must adapt

Yes but what did i say that about?
Wife beating or adultery?

 

Doesn't matter what you say. What matters is the fact. Why are you so ashamed that the quran instructs muslims to beat their wives?

All five translations say the same thing, yet you suggest that your word is above that of the scholars who translated? Surely allah would not be pleased that you take so much credit away from them in order to cover your own shame.

 

Why doesn't it matter what i say?, surely if you are going to quote me you also quote the topic upon which i made that comment- the topic being adultery, not wife beating! Is that too hard too understand?

I don't care if it is 5 translations or 50, I have read the quran for myself, and have not found any evidance of Islam instructing men to beat their wives. Allah has ordered muslims not to believe the words of scholars- so no i don't think he will be angry.

I am not ashamed, because the quran does not instruct muslims to beat their wives.

 

Denial, in the presense of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Would you say this falls best under number six?

 

Denial upon your behalf to refuse to accept the facts- Yes
Denial upon my behalf-No


I don't know, does it fall best under number six?!

 

The woman was stoned under the Shari'ah. That is what 'got to do with Islam'.

I have no problem with stoning adulterers to death, if the religious law described in Leviticus was still practiced. I have not seen/heard that Leviticus law used in quite some time. Most of Washington DC would be dead ...

The stoning happened last year. I am not even talking about chopping off the hand of thieves. Ever been to "chop chop plaza"?

Indeed some non-Islamic countries still execute individuals after found guilty of heinous crimes, usually within a court, often with a jury.

I do not consider being raped a crime.

But... This has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam.

Do you remember your elementary school? Do you remember the school bully?

There were those who attempted to bribe the bully by giving up their lunch money before beaten up. They were hoping the bully would "befriend" them, or at least leave them alone.

Do you remember what happened to those? The bully could smell the fear in them, and continued to demand more, and more.

Unni Wikan is one of those individuals who believes appeasing the angry bully will save his skin.

From personal experience - peace is worthless without freedom. Freedom of mind, spirit and body. Prisoners are at 'peace' in their solitary confinement.

What I don't understand is where is N.O.W.? Where are all the women's liberation organizations? Why are they not up in arms about this?

 

Yes as you quite rightly say this has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam, it is more to do with certain individuals

 

Even though the quran says to beat them. Denial is a beautiful thing when it's so obvious!

 

It could be worse. He could be practicing what the Koran teaches.

 

Denial upon your behalf for failing to acccept the Old testament as valid


And for the last time, the Quran does NOT instruct muslims to beat their wives!

 

Yes I do practice what the Quran teaches, I practice what the Quran in arabic teaches not your misinterpreted versions.
Unlike you Muslims regard the whole of the Quran as valid and follow it, whereas Christians seem to regard the Old testament as a load of nonsense(can't see why it is still part of the bible though) even though Jesus (in the New Testament) said he approves of the Old testament

 

The difference being we don't deny what the OT teaches and actually have valid reasons for not following all the laws contained therein. Or at least not using the same punishments.

Jesus said on a couple occasions "you have heard it said...but I say..."

He was refering to OT doctrines and teaching us to do something different now.

 

Right, well this quote from the Nt is not saying the same thing:

Matthew
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Why is the OT part of the bible then- why not get rid of it all together?, surely you should follow all the laws dictated to you by the bible, I mean what sort of a Christian would that make you, following the rules you want but turning a blind eye to the ones you don't. What are these valid reasons you speak of?

 

Something that GTech, et al. keep trying to conveniently ignore is the fact that many Christians do not share their viewpoint that the New Testament superseded the Old Testament laws and those Christians routinely use the laws in the Old Testament to justify discrimination against gays and much more. A perfect example of this is the 20,000 word manifesto at http://www.reformed.com/pub/polytheism.htm, which is on the website for a congregation of Reformed Presbyterians.

Should the violence and intolerance in the Old Testament, that was so well pointed out by nokiaking, be rejected? In my opinion yes, however, there are many Christians who do not see it this way. Instead they see the Old Testament as the literal word of God (King James version of course) and that the laws in the Old Testament are just as relevant to them as are the New Testament Gospels. I'd love to see someone address the manifesto above that I keep pointing out.

 

I hate to break it to you but God was very much anti-gay in the NT as well. There are a handful of sins that are explicitly condemned. Homosexuality is one of them. Adultery is another.

What people like you and the idiots that kill gays conviently forget is the commandment which clearly states

"thou shall not kill" and "love your neighbor"

So, I fail to see your point. Those people are on the wide road to hell that murder gays and abortion doctors. They're condemned by the very book they claim to believe in.

The same can't be said for Islamic Terrorists.

Our job as Christians is to point people to the law and the Gospel which saves. Not to deal out punishments.

Name one crime that "Christian Extremists" commit that isn't condemned by the Bible. Murdering abortion doctors and homosexuals is out so what else do you have?

 

I know that "thou shall not kill"!!
The point that you made about how islamic terrorists are different to Christian terrorists -I don't understand, How are they different- a murderer is a murderer- regardless of race or religion?
Are you also forgetting "love thy neighbour" Surely even you know that the majority of Muslims are not all terrorists or fanatics? So why all the prejudice against Muslims?


Edit: I see you have amended your post!!!

 

Where in the Koran does it say "love thy neighbor" and "thou shall not kill?"

Where does the Koran condem those that murder apostates?

The difference between Christian terrorists and Islamic terrorists is that Christian terrorists believe in a book that is telling them that what they're doing is wrong and they're going to hell. Islamic terrorists believe in a book that tells them that what they're doing is good and when they die they'll be rewarded with chaste women.

 

I didn't say that those quotes were from the Quran, I know they are from the Bible. If you are trying to say that Islam is such a hateful religion that in their holy book it doesn't mention that they have to "love thy neighbour" and shouldn't kill- Then you are wrong.

The Quran does not accept murder or killing.

They believe in a book which is telling them that what they are doing is wrong?!?!?!? What one part of the book tells them to do this (OT) and another tells them not to, is that it?!

EDIT:
The Quran does not tell Muslims to kill others, Nowhere in the Quran does it mention murdering someone and being rewarded with chaste women-Again misinterpretation when translated into a different language.

Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.

The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8):

"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just.


Also:
(Chapter 5, Verse 31) reads as following: "Whoever kills a human being, on earth, it is as though he had killed all mankind, and whoever saves a life it is as though he had saved the life of all mankind." So the Quran doesn't tell them that what they are doing is good.

 

You say that but where does the Koran say that? Chapter and verses. And where does it say to love everyone no matter what they believe?

 

Given-Please read edited last post