Is hanging of Saddam worth 3,000 US soldiers and $400 bln?

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  1. Free Stuff

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    #61
    Thank you for pointing me to that article.

    .......The Army has been recruiting about 80,000 people a year, setting differing monthly goals depending on the time of the year......


    Of course they met their goals. What do you expect them to tell us.
    Bush was telling up to a few months ago we were winning in Iraq.


    Here is something in that article that Bush doesn't like much.

    .......Dissatisfaction with President Bush's handling of Iraq has climbed to an all-time high of 71 percent, according to the AP-Ipsos survey this month..........


    I still believe the army recruits less soldiers compared to the period before the Iraqi invasion.

    You have been in the army and should know how they work out the "goals".
     
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    #62
    Oh no!

    Not GT's over quoted post. Again! :confused:
     
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    #63
    Actually about a year after we had been into the war the army did not meet its recruiting goals. It was that way for about 3 months as well. And that was reported. However, lately they have uped the standards and been meeting the goals.
     
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    #64
    actually I think they lowered the standards and increased the enlistment and re-enlistment bonuses

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-09-army-recruiting_x.htm

    http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2438132.php

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    #66
    If there was a country over running europe, torpedoing boats all along our coast, I think people would go along with whatever the gov't told them

    we probably could have killed less people and still won, McNamara said that if we had lost he probably would have been charged with war crimes, which makes me wonder why he did it, it didn't seem like japan could effectively hit our country, at least not in the later years of the war

    I mostly want the people responsible for the war to be removed from power
     
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    #68
    what new democracy? when did the slavery and abuse, and torture end

    There are more people being tortured and killed now then there was under saddam

    It was not worse under saddam. it is worse now. People are fleeing the country by the tens of thousands, what is so difficult to understand?
     
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    #69
    because now someone is fighting for their freedom. Saddam never gave the people a chance, he just killed whoever he disliked.
     
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    #70
    holy shit lol, thats the funniest thing I heard in awhile, its good there is an insurgency and a cvil war, because they are fighting for their Freedom?

    I wonder if the killed and maimed can tell the difference?
     
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    #71
    how about using the words "islamic terrorists" instead of insurgency? Call them for what they really are...and yes, we are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqis.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #72
    The truth. I understand you just lob anything out and hope something sticks. Poor strategy. Recruiting goals are set at the beginning of the year, PRIOR to actual recruitment. In previous years, recruiting goals were also short. Not by much, but they were short and reported as such.

    Perhaps you don't like the truth because it doesn't fit your agenda of making up facts as you go along. Now you are educated. Will you continue to assert the same, or will you adjust based upon the information? Or, do facts matter at all?


    Polls also predicted kerry would win.

    It's not about what you believe or what you wish were true. It's about fact.

    As noted above. Goals are set based on the needs of the forces. They don't alter throughout the year. Some years they miss, as noted, some years (as in last year and beginning of this year) they meet and/or exceed.
     
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    #73
    classic fact vs. opinion. Fact always wins.
     
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    #75
    thats what we need, Better labels!

    the people who are fighting are mostly local iraqis
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #76
    I don't think ferret or most liberals for that matter want them to have freedom. It's certainly not because they care about the "dumb" soldiers.

    I think most want the US to pull out so terrorists can take over.
     
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    #77
    exactly...we have already heard from John "I'm going to be president...in my head" Edwards that we should have an immediate withdrawal. Got to love the cut and run mentality.
     
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    #78
    like you do Gtech?

     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #79
    Really, so over 400,000 children have died? Over 100,000 Kurds? Another 250,000 kurds? Should I go on? It is estimated that over 1 million people have died at the hand of Saddam, and these are his own people. This does not include the nearly 300 to 500,000 he killed in the war with Iran.

    Yes ferret, your fair friend Saddam had torture chambers. Kurds were terrorized and treated like animals and enslaved. Saddam displaced some 900,000 of them, much like Hitler did. Basically the ones he could not kill, he forced out.

    Yes your friend was not a good guy. At least not in the eyes of a rational human being.


    No, actually it was worse under Saddam... Just ask the average Iraqi.

    Reading a bit of historical fact might help too: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030404-1.html

    Wow, people fleeing by the tens of thousands.. Yeah, that is a hell of a lot worse than the nearly 1 million that escaped Saddams torture chambers only to end up in near by Iran. It is estimated that about 200,000 of them still remain in Iran. The rest came back after the US freed Iraq of its tyrant leadership.

    Your friend ranks up there with Hitler. Is that really the type of person you wish to associate yourself with?
     
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    #80
    the death toll will get to a million you just have to give it time, saddam had 20 years to build up those numbers
     
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