Abrahamic religions all seem pretty much the same thing.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by windtalker, Jan 2, 2007.

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    Christianity, Islam, and also Judaism all have the same laws, rules, basic stories, etc. The three to me just seem to be slightly different variations of the same thing. I believe all are stories that were past down, but different writers gave their own interpretation, somewhat similar to if there was a line of people, and someone told a story to pass it down. You can grab any 3 people, they all will tell basicly the same story, but each would be slightly differently from the others.
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    There are similarities, but there are many differences. Most of those differences happen when Islam is brought into the picture. They differ with both Judaism and Christianity, whereas at least Christianity and Judaism focus on the same scriptures (i.e. the Hebrew Bible and the Old Testament).
     
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    Salvation in Christianity is a gift from God, it is not from human works. The Law of Judaism foreshadows Christianity and is based on keeping the Law. If one tries to keep to Law he will find that he will fail and will be pointed to a need for a Savior.

    Under Islam, salvation is by human works which contradicts a number of the prophets they give lip service to in particular, Jesus.

    In summary:
    Christian salvation: a gift from God
    All other religious systems: man's works
     
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    Christianity came out of Judaism. The "laws" you see some "Christians" keep are those that they no longer have to keep. As tbarr60 correctly stated salvation is a gift from God. That gift is Jesus Christ.
     
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    But I thought Jesus was God?:confused:
    So Jesus gave another copy of himself as a gift?, Wake up and see the real world and refer to Jesus as Jesus or God not both, And also how can he be the son of God if he is God?
     
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    Thanks for that link :)
     
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    One of the interesting things I've realized is that Paul calls himself the "worst of sinners." Yet we learned in a recent tirade that not being perfect is something to try to beat someone up over. I can just imagine what that person would have said to Paul in some poorly thought out fit of rage. In fact, people like him probably did attack Paul's character to try to discredit Christianity or what he had to say. Paul's response, "ooops, you got me, I'm the worst of them."

    In all the other religions the goal is to make yourself a better person to obtain some goal. Yet in Christianity we find that one of the most prominent members was the worst sinner ever. So apparently, the point of Christianity is not to make you be a better person. In fact Paul complains about being unable to do the good he wants to do. The point of Christianity is to make you *want* to be a better person.

    Contrast that to pretty much every other religion out there (including ex/non-members of religion) and we get to hear about how good those people are and how Christians are such hypocrites. They feel they *have* to be better in order to prove something.

    Christians have nothing to prove. We suck, we know we suck and that's why we're saved.
     
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    Nokia, if you would pay attention to our posts instead of twisting them, you will see that we refer to Jesus as God, the Son of God, the Son of Man, the Messiah, etc. They all point to Jesus who is a part of the Trinitarian God that christians believe in.
     
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    Non-Trinitarian logic dictates that you can only be one or the other.
     
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    Right so Christians Believe in Jesus, they believe that Jesus is the son of God, What I can't understand is that how can you then refer to Jesus as God if you also believe that Jesus is Gods son.Doesn't really follow through
    Do you not believe in any God, just Jesus?
     
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    I'd agree with this. Christianity is a profession of imperfection, and a supplication based on faith. Because of this, one is absolutely without merit in rendering judgment on another's relation, or lack of it, to God. This is reserved to God, alone.
     
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    That about sums it up.
     
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    So why didn't you date/marry the first girl you saw you [sarcasm]judgemental prick[/sarcasm]? How dare you judge her to not be worthy of your hand! Wasn't she cute enough for you? Did you judge her personality to not be on par with you?

    Obviously you judged Christianity to not be for you. But, we're not allowed to judge other religions to not be for us.

    We get it. You believe that we should just mindlessly sit in the pew of our respective religion and not question it and not even consider another religion and why we don't believe that one. All under the guise of being a "better person" than those who dare to believe in truth and judge religions (including our own) according to it.

    Maybe you don't care, but if I were worshipping a false god I'd like to know about it and be pointed in the right direction.
     
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    Well, something like that.

    Name calling again, Kalvin?
     
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    I'm being sarcastic. And the second quote was attributing that attitude towards you. So I've been consistant. I'm not the one that has consistantly had a problem with questioning religions.

    Are you going to explain to the audience why you've judged so many girls to not be worthy to be your wife? You seem to have a problem with judging people so I'm curious about that. You seem to hate people you percieve to be hypocrites.
     
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    Questioning? No, that's true. Now, certain of the truth, and condemning, well...

     
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    That's the Bible condeming them, not me. There members of all religions (including my own) that reject the free gift of salvation. One of these days you'll understand that it's the law that condemns people, not judges. Judges have the ability to allow the law to enforce itself to the max or restrain it and show mercy.

    Certain religions do teach people to reject it. Fortunatly, not everyone in those religions is listening.
     
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    Really? That's interesting....in all the years I read the Bible, I never once saw mention of Catholics, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, or anyone else on your list, much less a judgment of them. Can you please help me - show me the verses?
     
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    I don't recall lumping Catholics into that group. You probably assume it was implied.

    What is the only way to be saved according to the Bible?

    Do those religions teach that way?

    If not, then I guess the Bible is judging them isn't it?

    In fact the Bible explicitly states that teaching a Gospel (the means to be saved) that is different than what the Bible teaches is grounds for going to hell. Even an Angel that teaches a contrary Gospel could end up in hell because of it. And, the people who follow that false Gospel, though they may be judged less harshly, are also in danger.
     
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