Mohammad Mosadegh: why was he taken out

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pingpong123, Dec 30, 2006.

  1. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #81
    The master of projectionism! The leader of few, but still, he tries!

    Pick up your weapon and follow me ;)
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #82
    If you look at wikipedia article, you will notice that it is a disputed article. A simple reason that easily proves that Mossadegh did not removed the feudal and started collective farming is the fact that feudal system was removed by Shah of Iran in so called White revolution in 1963 or 10 years after the coup which removed Mossadegh from power.


    "This was the last policy statement on Iran prepared during the Truman administration. Truman and his top advisers always focused on working out an oil agreement between Mosaddeq and British. To the end, they believed that Mosaddeq represented the most effective barrier to a communist takeover in Iran."

    Source: National Security Council, NSC 136/1, "United States Policy regarding the Present Situation in Iran," Top Secret Report, November 20, 1952
    Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), Record Group 59, "Records relating to State Department Participation in the Operations Coordinating Board and the National Security Council, 1947-1963," Lot 63D351, National Security Council, Box 68, Folder: "NSC 136: U.S. and Policy regarding the Present Situation in Iran"

    Does a guy who is the most effective barrier to a communist takeover sound like a communist? :rolleyes:
     
    gworld, Jan 3, 2007 IP
  3. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #83
    Gworld they cannot admit that mossadegh would have been a leader that would have done much good in iran because it will cause them to look inward at our government. For some people the shock of the truth is too much for them. They would rather be living in their nice back and white utopia where we are the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys , and we absolutely can do no wrong. Every educated iranian i have talked to has nothing but praise for mossadegh and knows that if we didnt take him out iran would have been a very friendly country to the world today.

    I used to have these rose petaled glasses on when i was in high school and i believe that my country can do no wrong. I dont bring all of this up because i hate my country. On the contrary, i do this out of love for my country and i still believe that our founding fathers had something good when they came up with the constitution. Their intentions were very good.

    Where oh where has our innocence gone:(
     
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  4. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

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    #84
    Yes I know that this is a disputed subject. It's hard to get facts from a neutral source. I have no interest in buying the books that you refer to, can hand out an online source?

    However, it seems that you are right on the white revolution. So there are a few main possibilities left:
    1. Mossadegh did not impose collective farming.
    2. Mossadegh did impose collective farming, which was later abolished and then re-imposed by the Shas in 1963.
    3. Mossadegh had plans to impose collective farming.

    But it seems that some people supports the idea that he did.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Mossadegh#Communism.2C_fabrication_or_reality.3F

    Also, the idea of the plot itself discussed.

    However, just nationalizing the oil is obviously a step to the left away from the free market.
     
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  5. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #85
    The discussion that you refer to is by pro-monarchy Iranian in USA who are even trying to re-write the history about the coup in Iran and the role of USA. Released documents by CIA and state department clearly mentions that the coup in Iran was arranged and paid for by US government and the announcement of new government was done from a temporary radio station inside the US embassy. ;)

    There was no private oil sector in Iran before Mossadegh. The oil sector was divided between English companies as the owners and Iran government getting royalties. What Mossadegh did was to claim that Iran is the owner of it's natural resources and English companies can run it and share the profits. A year before the coup, this matter was decided in International court in Haag and the court decided that Iran and Mossadegh had the right to their claims. Mossadegh was the man of year in Time magazine for his victory. As you can see the nationalization of oil had nothing to do with socialism and it was purely a civil law actions regarding the ownership of rights to natural resources and commercial contracts related to it.
     
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  6. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #86
    Gworld, you will find when you have no uncovered the truth that no one but latehorn will admit to it because it will cause them to take of their imaginery rainbow glasses and see things for what they truely are. If they would only admit it, this is the first step towards healing themselves about the truth.

    Great post again
     
    pingpong123, Jan 5, 2007 IP
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    #87
    Now that Admiral Follan has been fired, do you believe US Airforce and Navy would launch a strike against Iranian bases and Nuclear facilities?
     
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