Mohammad Mosadegh: why was he taken out

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  1. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Again, that would make you a generation older than I am. I've never seen a 50+ year old type like a 14 year old. Did you take lessons, or, are you just the pimply face ungrateful teenager you come off as?
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Im 39, and it seems like you and mia are the only ones who say or believe this. Again no comment on mossadegh????? or my good buddy albert einstein.
    The fact that u think itype like a 14 year old means that i must be doing everything right. Now can we do some flag waving together buddy, i want to be your best friend so i can learn to follow fox news and bury my head in the sand. SIS BOOM BAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
     
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    #23
    People we must be ever watchful to make sure that we are actually supporting democracy in third world countries and not destroying it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mossadegh

    Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh (Mossadeq (help·info))(Persian: محمد مصدق‎‎ , also Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq) (19 May 1882 - 5 March 1967) was the democratically elected[1] prime minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953. He was twice appointed to office by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, and approved by the vote of parliament [2]. Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. He was also the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry which was dominated and exploited by the British through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (today known as British Petroleum (BP)).

    He was later removed from power by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, in a CIA orchestrated coup[3], supported and funded by the British and the U.S. governments. The coup was led by CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt, Jr.[4][5], the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, and came to be known as Operation Ajax[4], by its secret CIA cryptonym and the "28 Mordad 1332" coup, by its date on the Iranian calendar. [6][7]
     
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    #24
    Sorry, but I fail to see what's so important here. Are you expecting people to waste their time in order to response to this:
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Mossadegh was not only a peaceful and pro democratic leader of iran but as you can see below he was very intelligent. I guess too intelligent to hand over complete control of ianian oil to america and britain.

    Early life
    Mohammad Mossadegh was born in 1882 in Tehran to an Ashtiani finance minister and a Qajar princess. When his father died in 1892, he was appointed the tax collector of the Khorasan province and was bestowed with the title of "Mossadegh-os-Saltaneh" by Nasser al-Din Shah. [2] He studied at École libre des sciences politiques[3] in Paris and in 1914, received his PhD in Law from the University of Neuchâtel in Switzerland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mossadegh
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Latehorn u obviously arent looking at my other posts which are very informative. Why dont you look at what im posting now or will u have the selective blindness that gtech has when faced with the horrible facts of what our government did to destroy democacy in iran.

    The government of Britain had grown increasingly distressed over Mossadegh's policies and were especially bitter over the loss of their control on the Iranian oil industry. Despite Mossadegh's repeated attempts to negotiate a reasonable settlement with them they refused outright the same terms, and later total control over Iranian oil. [citation needed]

    Unable to resolve the issue singlehandedly due to its post second world war problems, Britain looked towards the United States to settle the issue. The United States was falsely informed that Mossadegh was increasingly turning towards Communism and was moving Iran towards the Soviet sphere at a time of high Cold War fears. [8] [4][5][6]

    Acting on the fears created by Britain, the United States and Britain began to publicly denounce Mossadegh's policies for Iran as harmful to the country.

    In October 1952 Mossadegh declared that Britain was "an enemy", and cut all diplomatic relations with the United Kingdom. In November and December 1952 British intelligence officials suggested to American intelligence that the prime minister should be ousted. The new US administration under Dwight Eisenhower and the British government under Winston Churchill agreed to work together toward Mossadegh's removal. In March 1953 Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the US Central Intelligence Agency, which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mossadegh [7].

    On 4 April 1953 CIA director Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mossadegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it. [citation needed]

    The plot, known as Operation Ajax, centered around convincing Iran's monarch to use his constitutional authority to dismiss Mossadegh from office, as he had attempted some months earlier. But the Shah was uncooperative, and it would take much persuasion and many meetings to successfully execute the plan. Meanwhile, the CIA stepped up its operations. According to Dr. Donald N. Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mossadegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent, and stirring anti-Mossadegh sentiments within the religious community.[citation needed]

    Mossadegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. He set up a national referendum to dissolve parliament. Some purport that the vote was rigged, with Mossadegh claiming a 99.9 percent victory for the "yes" side. Allegations that Mossadegh was resorting to dictatorial tactics to stay in power were in turn cited by US- and British-supported opposition press as a reason to remove Mossadegh from power.[citation needed] Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mossadegh's emergency powers were extended.

    Inside Iran, Mossadegh's popularity was eroding as promised reforms failed to materialize [8] and the economy continued to suffer due to heavy British sanctions. The Tudeh Party abandoned its alliance with Mossadegh, as did the conservative clerical factions.

    In August 1953 Mossadegh attempted to convince the Shah to leave the country. The Shah refused, and formally dismissed the Prime Minister, in accordance with the foreign intelligence plan. Mossadegh refused to leave, however, and when it became apparent that he was going to fight, the Shah, as a precautionary measure foreseen by the British/American plan, flew to Baghdad and on from there to Rome, Italy, after hesitantly signing two decrees, one dismissing Mossadegh and the other nominating General Fazlollah Zahedi Prime Minister, subsequent to pressure from the US and UK intelligence agencies. The choice had fallen on Zahedi, whom in the months before, Roosevelt and Wilbur had identified as perfectly suitable to carry out the dirty work [citation needed], during and following the coup. Fazlollah Zahedi was to prove that they had backed the right horse, afterall he had fallen out with Mossadegh and resigned from his post as minister of the interior, as well as having been briefly detained already on suspicions of planning a coup of his own, by Mossadegh's orders in February of 1953.[citation needed] Fearing imminent re-arrest, Zahedi went into hiding, with another affair, the torture death of Tehran's chief of Police, General Afshartus being blamed on him by the authorities. [citation needed]

    Once again, massive protests broke out across the nation. Anti- and pro-monarchy protestors violently clashed in the streets, leaving almost 300 dead. Funded with money from the U.S. CIA and the British MI6, the pro-monarchy forces, led by retired army General and former Minister of Interior in Mossadegh's cabinet , Fazlollah Zahedi, gained the upper hand on 19 August 1953 (28 Mordad). The military intervened as the pro-Shah tank regiments stormed the capital and bombarded the prime minister's official residence. Mossadegh managed to flee from the mob that set in to ransack his house, and, the following day, surrendered to General Zahedi, who had meanwhile established his makeshift headquarters at the Officers' Club. A tearful Dr. Mossadegh was received in dignity however and placed under arrest in a comfortable apartment [9] at the Officers' Club and transferred to a military jail shortly after.

    Shortly after the return of the Shah on 22 August 1953 from the brief self-imposed exile in Rome, Mossadegh was tried by a military tribunal for high treason. Zahedi and the Shah were inclined, however, to spare the ailing man's life (the death penalty would have applied according to the laws of the day). Mossadegh received a sentence of 3 years in solitary confinement at a military jail and was exiled to his village, not far from Tehran, where he remained under house arrest until his death, on 5 March 1967.

    Zahedi's new government soon reached an agreement with foreign oil companies to form a "Consortium" and "restore the flow of Iranian oil to world markets in substantial quantities." [10].


    [edit] Legacy
    When the Iranian revolution occurred in 1979 the overthrow of Mossadegh was used as a rallying point in anti-US protests. To this day, Mossadegh is one of the most popular figures in Iranian history [11]. Although he is very popular among people and is considered a national hero by most, the now fundamentalist theocratic regime doesn't approve of him and his secularism and western manners.

    The extent of the US role in Mossadegh's overthrow was not formally acknowledged for many years, although the Eisenhower administration was quite vocal in its opposition to the policies of the ousted Iranian Prime Minister. In his memoirs, Eisenhower writes angrily about Mossadegh, and describes him as impractical and naive, though stops short of admitting any overt involvement in the coup.

    Eventually the CIA's role became well-known, and caused controversy within the organization itself, and within the CIA congressional hearings of the 1970. CIA supporters maintain that the plot against Mossadegh was strategically necessary, and praise the efficiency of agents in carrying out the plan. Critics say the scheme was paranoid and colonial, as well as immoral.

    In March 2000 then secretary of state Madeleine Albright stated her regret that Mossadegh was ousted: "The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons. But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development and it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America." In the same year, the New York Times published a detailed report about the coup based on CIA documents. [12].

    For his sudden rise in popularity inside and outside of Iran, and for his defiance of the British, Mossadegh was named as Time Magazine's 1951 Man of the Year. Other notables considered for the title that year include Dean Acheson, Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur.[9]

    In early 2004, the Egyptian government changed a street name in Cairo from Pahlavi to Mossadegh, to facilitate closer relations with Iran.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Latehorn yooo did u just make ur one line response and disappear????
    No matter cause im sure others are reading this so let . Hey has anyone seen pandora, just wanted to let her know her box was opened:(
     
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    It's not hard to understand why Mossadegh was removed. That was a strategic move from Britain and America at that time. This happened just a few years after WW2. CIA speculated that Mossadegh had unfriendly ambitions. Just because someone is democratically elected doesn't automatically mean that the person has good ambitions.
     
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    #29
    Latehorn man you truely are blinded. Mossadegh never made an attempt towards violent actions. In your blinded eyes you are now speaking with not one shred of facts. He was taken out because he wouldnt give control to iranian oil plane and simple. I know your a falg waver but at least present one piece of fact. At least your buddy gtech knew when to quit because he knew what happened to mossadegh. The guy was a phd, was non violent. All he wanted was what was best for his people. WHO ELECTED THE SHAH? NO ONE, who helped train his secret police? OUR CIA. The savak was just as brutal maybe more than saddam ever was. When people are so patriotic and they are presented with cold hard facts and still deny the truth what can you do?

    Can we get some educated debate that isnt 100% blindedly non biased here?
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Now tell me latehorn u responded . Tell me what were those unfriendly ambitions mossadegh had? This should be hillariousssssssssss
    Open mouth, insert foot, aboutttt face
     
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    #31
    I have never stated that Mossadegh had unfriendly ambitions. There you go with your foot.

    This was a strategic operation made a few years after WW2.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #32
    It was an oil operation pure and simple. Explain to me how it was a stretegic operation. Im waiting on the proof. We wanted oil, he wouldnt give us controlling interest, we then took him out. Its very simple and no one is giving me any proof to the contrary, Just alot of runarounds.

    You said the cia speculated that he had unfriendly ambitions. Please tell me what were these unfriendly ambitions. IF our government doesnt even comment on this your telling me that you are going to tell me what those unfriendly ambitions are.

    Plane and simple you dont have a shred of fact to support your claim and my claim which is rooted in all kinds of facts is so far backable.

    Why not just admit that he was taken out because he wouldnt give up the oil. Its the truth. Do you need even more facts?
     
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    #33
    So what's your point, that this operation was done because of greediness?

    The fact that Mosadegh didn't like the west is well known. He was also a nationalist. He also wanted to keep his country's oil for himself, which doesn't make him look better. The loss of oil access for the west would hurt economies of western civillian countries, which needed energy badly at that time. This was also important in order to compete with Soviets fast rebuilding process.

    Ethical? Probably not, but can be discussed.
    Understandable? Yes.
     
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    #34
    there you go again latehorn, If you actually did any kind of reading into this subject you will know that mossadegh didnt want to keep all the oil for his people , he just wanted majority control and also control to produce teh equipment for the oil refineries.

    Buddy, your sinking yourself deeper and deeper into ignorance. Please before your respond again with nothing really factual please raed up a little. Have you ever heard the phrase " reading is fundamental"? Remember other dp members will be reading this . Mossadegh doesnt need you to look good but you certainly are helping the cause out.

    I would suggest sticking to thesaddamexecution as there are way too many facts here for you man

    Shall i bring up standard oil or do you yield yet. Sometimes its better to quite even when your wayyyy behind

    Mossadegh never hated thewest he was just passionate about not getting ripped off and making sure his people had a right to their own destiny. He was not unreasonable at all but britain and america wanted 51% control and he saw this as rediculous and rightfully so.
     
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    #35
    Ok, we do not know if he wanted all oil for himself, but we do know that he wanted to nationalize others property without giving any compensation.
    This was obviously a good strategical move for US, since Mossadegh not only could hurt the growth in the west, but also lined up with other socialist countries.
     
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    So if he was passionate about getting ripped off, he got what he wished for, right? :D
     
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    #37
    Again Latehorn, for the third time he was a very fair man and was ready to give up to 49%. Man you are like a broken record, where do u get that he didnt want to give compensation??????????????? Are u on drugs? Now u are saying that we should cause coups in countries where their leader had some socialist views. If so then any country in europe that socializes its medicine should be invaded. Oh yea canada also.

    Latehorn i think gtech even with his one liners is starting to look like a genius here looooooooooooooooooooooool
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
     
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    #39
    Most of you should learn the truth about why the middle east is where it is today, most of the mess has been caused by the USA and UK governments in the last century, the fighting over oil resources causes most of the problems and has for the last 100 years.

    Corporate greed is behind all of the killing and terror, it starts with those who manipulate the oil markets, problem is the Russians are in the game now and they play dirty as we all know, Putin will kill his own people and is more than happy to kill ours to keep oil prices high, war is a means to that end, Russia is a leading oil producing nation, Blair and Bush policy have made Russia filthy rich and powerful as well as Iran.

    The Cheney lead Halliburton/Exxon Administration (Cheney Energy Task Force) is a failure, they planned the Iraq war and will be responsible for the future invasion of Iran that could lead to WWIII, this is why he is asking for another 100 Billion and more troops to be sent into our military base called Iraq.

    You can bet that the Russians are not going to just sit back and let the USA take over Iran, so should the mad men in the White House invade Iran, expect total destruction and for WWIII to start in earnest.

    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8015
     
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    #40
    Hopefully we will switch to hydrogen cars, build more nuclear power plants and get less oil dependent in the future.
    When it comes to Russia, we don't know. They had a pretty neutral approach in the lebanon-israel-hezbollah war.
     
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