So now we delve into my specialty, politics. People like darksat don't realize that there is a presidency beyond George Bush. Him and his ilks in the MSM, have done a 6 year hit job on this guy for no other reason than his not cow-towing to every two-bit dictator and the useless UN. George Bush is but one man, the presidency of the United States represents all of us, like it or not. Let's not destroy it, lest we destroy ourselves. We have enough enemies.
Now what brought the jews into this conversation. The problem with you guys is that you try to make a jest out of this because either your afraid of the truth or you know the truth and pretend not to. This is rediculous. This is a serious topic . He is one of the good guys?????? So the rest of us are the bad guys???????. I feel sorry for our country when we have people like this who bury their heads in the sand and make lite of a serious topic and there are actually masses of ignorant people that follow them. I have given the info and the facts and you guys know this is correct. I dare any of you to prove me wrong, but then again you proved me right when u didnt bother to respond and tried to joke your way out of an answer. Sorry guys the masses in our country are starting to get a bit more intelligent to go for anyone that reresents the opinions of rush limbaugh(another so called human being who has nothing better to do then make fun of others instead of helping america. the year 2029 is a great year, the year of truth i call it
Valrod we destroy our country when we finally start speaking the truth? I disagree. I think we are making our country a better one when we start opening up our eyes instead of just accepting everything our leaders tells us as god given facts. I am no one's sheep, like i said i would never be angry with bush because i know he is nothing but a figurehead(the perfect puppet). nsam 55, 56 , 57 and 263 tell me there is one president with the gonads to be a free thinker who actually cared for the american people. I also sense a few hidden agendas in some of the responses i have seen in here. I mean why else would anyone skirt around the issues that we present in here ? Im glad this happened cause im sure there are newbies reading this and seeing what is truely happening. They also have minds of their own and they will form their opinions on facts NOT JOKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Latehorn please see the messages previous to mine. Wow mia your going on one mistyped or mispelled word? You are another example. Sounds like everyone is trying to get away from the subject . People if you want facts and not jokes please look at my posts. If you want jokes just look at the posts previous to mine and gtech's posts also. Im glad that im a true american and i have no hidden agendas. What you see is what you get unlike some others
Ok, I saw them. However, I hope you noticed that Gtech provided both facts&jokes to this thread. However, lets answer these 5 questions, so we'll see how hard your 'facts' are. How do you define a free thinker? Is the Bush administration guilty for Iran Contra? Does Al-Qaida exist? Why was Iraq invaded? Who's behind the polonium-hysteria?
You are assuming that I support Bush 100%. That is not the case, in fact many -I would say most conservatives are not very happy with him. The list is long and it goes from the war to spending. Why is it that dissent is always considered the high moral ground and beyond reproach? When dissent becomes aiding our enemies, it is called treason. I'm not saying this is what you are doing, nor am I saying that anyone who disagrees with the war is treasonous , although some are. Take for example the leakers in the Bush administration and the New York Times. Do you realize how much damage they have caused our national security by leaking how and where we are freezing the terrorists assets. Besides, how is this vital information to the American People? That is only one example, but over the years there have been many leaks, and surprisingly they usually find their way to the front page of the New York Times. Anyhow, many are going to be disappointed that Bush isn't going to be impeached. Just live with it and be bitter, I guess.
*Sigh* Once again, someone claims to be a true American, and marginalizes anyone not like themselves.
Josh i marginalize anyone that is not open to debate and varied opinions. Contrary to popular beliefe fox news isnt the gospel truth. Valrod i never assumed u supported bush and if someone supported bush or not isnt a big issue because like i said before he is just a puppet. Puppet presidents started happening after nov 22nd 1963. I also agree that anyone that jeopardizes our national security is a traitor 100% and deserves to be tried for the crime yet it keeps happening time and time again. Latehorn, a free thinker is anyone who wont accept anything as truth until he or she analyzes all facts that are available at their disposal and not just fox news's facts. I havent read up too much about iran contra so i wouldnt be able to tell u must about it. I was also in high school at this time so i wasnt very interested in politics back then hehe. I believe that al quaida exists. Most of the original members recieved training from the cia to repel russian control over afganistan in the 1980's . Finally i cant classify myself as a conservative or liberal because there are some things i like about both. I consider myself a moderate who isnt going to idol worship any human being or political group. Jesus is the only one i worship Again i havent read up on the polonium-hysteria so i couldnt give u my opinion on this one way or another. I dared anyone on this thread to read up on colonel fletcher prouty's book the secret team, yet no one will take up on this offer. That is one man that i truely admire as a REAL american and had the hard facts because he was in a position to do so being the former head of weapons procurement for black ops and former liason (briefing officer) between the cia and the military. He even talked about how many third world elections we helped to rig and how the vietnam war started . As part of his code he doesnt name all names but speaks with alot of facts .
There is a difference not being open to debate or opinions, and having actually gone and analyzed a large amount of data in the past, held a debate before, and not wanting to have the same debate over the same evidence AGAIN. So far every conspiracy theory I have dug into deeply (which usually takes me several days out of my busy schedule) has proven to be complete and utter hogwash. Some of them are utter hogwash after just a half hour of research. Do some conspiracies exist? I haven't been able to prove it, but I wouldn't doubt it. However the vast majority of conspiracy theories I have looked into involve junk science, or just plain stupidity in analyzing the facts. So I don't usually care to use my time to investigate each and every one of these theories, and see if they are true, or junk, in order to be 'open to the opinions of others and debate' on a regular basis. Were I to do so I would have a broken down car, a room that smells like a sewer, and no job due to a lack of time to do anything else. So I hope you can understand why rather than treating every (or any) conspiracy theory out there as something to research is not very high on my list of priorities.
Ok, pingpong.. you answered all questions but the one of Iraq. Now I have a better grip on where you stand. Ah ok, but is it really a question wether the Bush Administration is guilty for Contra or not? I ask you because you have been speaking about Iran Contra before. Ok, do you think that CIA has any kind of relationship with Osama bin Ladin?
How do you define a free thinker? (someone who uses their brain as opposed to believing what Fox News Comes out with. Is the Bush administration guilty for Iran Contra (Regan, Bush, all corrupt Republicans)? Does Al-Qaida exist? (they have since the days the CIA were arming them in Afghanistan, way before GW had countries to invade) Why was Iraq invaded? (oil, oil, oil ) Who's behind the polonium-hysteria? (The Media)
Usually someone with moronic ideas that have no foundation who pereptuate them as if they were true and thus, needs to assume the moniker of "free thinker." "Free thinker" is the qualifier that precedes an upcoming stupid position. Almost always includes random jabs at "faux news," and almost always telling others they "need to wakeup," as if no one in the world can see their lunacy except themselves. That's been my experience, with people who feel compelled to wrap themselves with the moniker. When someone refers to themself as a "free thinker," I can't help but chuckle because inevitably something stupid will follow.
That one is very easy, the CIA created him. As for member name pingpong123 I agree with a lot of what you say, some of the sheeple here will flatly refuse to believe that anything is wrong with any of the people in power. These people are politicians for gods sake, they lie for a fookin living! I'm no Yank (I'm a Limey ) but I fear that most of the sheeple like GT and Mia are staunch Republicans that just fly off of the handle when someone posts something bad about George H.W Einstein Bush, the real bottom line is that it does not matter who is in power in the USA because they are two cheeks of the same arse. The people that control puppets like Bush will also control Clinton or that other dude that might run for President (Obama) when the Democrats run in 2008. I can't see Obama getting the vote because he just sounds a bit too much like Osama (the guy that pulled off the amazing feat on 9/11 tucked away in the arsehole end of nowhere in his cave. ) Keep up the great posts pingpong123, give these sheeple something to think about. In the end though you are wasting your time I feel. No harm in trying though buddy.
Josh i know u have not read the secret team by colonel fletcher prouty. If you did i can guarantee 100% u wouldnt be able to debunk him because his book is only filled with facts from military career and what he helped our government to do. Josh if u had billions of dollars to work with to ur advantage and u didnt care about ur fellow american or fellow human beings wouldnt u utilize those dollars to help your group gain power. Just read the book, thats all i ask then u will understand how our government worked on 3rd world countries post ww2. If you dont wanna know that then why even do u care to debate about anything going on in the world today?
Latehorn when did i ever talk about iran contra? As i said before i know nothing or very little about it. It is common knowledge that the cia funded and trained osamas group against the soviet union in the 80's , you can get this info from even the fox news network sites. This is common knowledge that our government never hid.
Thanks Ags, its just a shame that these people wont go out to research this themselves to even just prove me wrong. I doubt any of them would post rebuttals of this nature in a public debate because they would be publicly laughed off teh debate floor for producing no info at all. Ive been trying to have a common conversation even here and no one will even indulge me in this yet they still post ignorant opinions with absolutely no facts to back their opinions up. Sorry people but the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they saw how the common masses in our country have allowed themselves to be degraded to posting opinions and not even knowing what they are talking about. Im in search of truth, justice, humanity and love. Now if u think i have a hidden agenda please explain why . Ags sometimes we have had different opinions on things such as hezbolla but i never doubted that you are just seeking truth as i am. We need more people like u in america. Now if u want a classic case of no info answers , just do a search on almost everyone one of gtechs responses to me. I need not say more lol. Mia, i cannot ever skip over your incredible tidbits of one liner answers. I know its a sin if i do lol
So, all corrupt republicans, including Reagan&Bush is guilty for Contra? I'm not sure if all corrupt republicans even know about it. I'm not sure if CIA actually armed Al-Qaida, but it's true that CIA provided assistance to the resistance in Afghanistan when the country was under Soviet occupation. Wrong answer. Iraq was invaded over WMDs, which has yet to be found(officially). Ok, but who's behind what has caused the polonium-hysteria? Not according to CIA. https://www.cia.gov/terrorism/faqs.html