Is Jesus God? IMO no. He is the manifestation of God though..

I am not rejecting the Bible at all. I study it in it's entirety. Go see for yourself. Get yourself a copy of the Emphatic Diaglott to see the translation you have is not accurate. One thing man can not change is God's word. He will not allow it. Look, word for word in English against the Greek symbols. It's unmistakable. It is so clear that the translation I use is far more accurate than the translation you use.

Don't even know why I am saying this. You are not going to look it up anyway.

 

Please tell me where it states Jesus allowed people to worship him? It is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

 

What?! Did the Watchtower blot all of that out in the latest NWT too?

Matthew 2:2 demonstrates that the Magi came to worship Him:

 

That does not say he allowed them to worship him. It just states that they went there to worship him. Don't take things out of context.

2 Corinthians 1:20 and 1 Timothy 2:5 shows Jesus we should show honour and respect because John 14:6 shows it is only through him we can approach God.

However, Exodus 20:4-5 makes it very clear from God himself who we should worship.

 

So, what's the difference? Were they sinning when they said that they came to worship Him? We already know the JW's have changed Matthew 2:11 from bowed down and worshipped him to did obeisance to it

So, then Jesus must have sinned because people worshipped Him. Unless, of course, he isn't Michael the archangel.

 

You also need to take a look at the Emphatic Diaglott. I am not saying the words were not changed. It was changed because the original wording was incorrect. The translation was not accurate enough at that point in time. At least we are honest enough to change it for accuracy! Can't say the same for other translations!

However, that is besides the point. It's the context which is the matter here. Have a look in the dictionary for the word sin. You might be surprised what the definition is.

No one can expect a human organization to be perfect. To believe so would be futile. Yes, the organization has made some mistakes in the past. We are all imperfect on this planet and we all make mistakes from time to time. I refuse to even comment how many mistakes other organizations have made or how big those mistakes have been.

 

Ah, good. At least you realize that the Watchtower has had its share of mistakes over the years. Still, doesn't it disturb you that the organization you hold dear has been roundly criticized and repudiated by Bible scholars for generations now?

Personally, I don't put my trust in an organization -- my faith is centered upon Jesus Christ. I don't need someone else to interpret scripture for me, although I do enjoy regular Bible teachings and studies with fellow believers.

I have read plenty of what Walter Martin has shared about the Jehovah's Witnesses to know that the organization you put your trust in has led many astray. I think it behooves all of us to question things and to "study to show ourselves approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth."

A lot of people study the word, but rely upon man and not the Holy Spirit [who is, by the way, God].

Ciao!

 

I will only say one thing here.

John 17:3 shows we need to learn about him.
Matthew 7:16-23 shows Jesus telling his disciples how to recognise God's chosen people.
Matthew 7:13-15 shows Jesus telling his disciples how the road will be to find out the truth.

I am very happy where I am and where it is leading me. I can only invite others to learn about it. You know how the saying goes "You can lead a horse to water"?

 

The problem is not with translation.

"the angel of the lord" refers to himself as God in the OT.

How do you explain an angel calling themselves God?

 

I've read through this string of posts until my head is swimming. Is this a forum only for those who believe in God and Jesus? After 40+ years as a Christian, I finally seriously questioned my beliefs and discovered that those I'd held with regard to religion were both senseless and baseless. And reading through the posts in this string convinces me that splitting hairs that may or may not exist in reality is an exercise in complete futility.

Over the past several years, participating in forms such as this one, I've yet to be presented with a logical argument that persuades me to believe anything other than the fact that none of us knows. So, until someone convinces me otherwise citing evidence other than Biblical scripture, I'll remain a proud agnostic!

 

I questioned my beliefs too. I came out of it a much stronger Christian.

 

And for all the watchtower folks out there I will not like to be in their place because of:

Revelation 22:19 (New International Version)

And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.



2 Peter 2:1 (New International Version)
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
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Amen to that

 

Please do show us all the rule book for signing up to be a christian!

 

Cheap seo research , this is very incorrect. You must go even further then the greek. You must go to the aramiac . My mom goes to maronite mass and they say their mass in aramiac and hebrew, the original languages that jesus spoke. Unless you understand the culture and times that jesus lived in you wont be able to understand the way he communicated with others. Remember god will bend over backwards to get his message across to us simply because of his incredible love for us.

If you want to i can get lots of info saying that jesus is god

Matt all i can say is that i am learning alot from your posts, very informative and very empathetic towards others. If only more christians were like u

 

He has it right. The word Christian is to be Christ-like, although it is used to represent His followers because we are supposed to be like Christ. Jesus said He (Jesus) is the only way and to believe in Him to be saved.

You can be born a muslim
you can be born a Jew,
you can be born catholic

but you can't be born a Christian. My children aren't Christian unless they accept and follow Christ. I can point them to God's word, and they have a choice (I we don't cut off heads if they choose otherwise)

 

So basically Christianity is all about following and accepting Christ, nothing to do with God what so ever? What is so special about Christianity that you can not be born a Christian- maybe its just accepting what you are told even though its obvious that it doesn't make sense!? Why does Jesus want you to believe in Him to be saved, surely its up to God who he wants to save and who he doesn't, he isn't going to listen to Jesus when making his decision. I find it strange how christians make out Jesus to be some sort of Gods PA but then you say that Jesus is God, What exactly do christians believe in- Jesus or God?
By the way whose head has been cut off?

 

Jesus is God. Jesus is God born in human flesh. He is God, the almighty savior, Prince of Peace, Lord of lords and King of kings. Jesus came as a sacrafice, perfect and holy, nothing attainable by man alone.

The Christians on this thread have said the same thing over and over, nothing confusing about what was said, it is just hard to accept.

I am sure many have lost their heads over this matter. Do I need to do a search for you and give you some links?

 

That's pretty much the same thing man...

 

I accept the fact that you refer to Jesus as god, but then why do you refer to God as the Father of Jesus? surely these two points contradict each other in a major way!!! It is hard to accept because it doesn't make sense!