Is israel a huge military base

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by evolving, Aug 3, 2006.

  1. Rick_Michael

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    #21
    I watched him for a second, but then I realized he's just a joke trying to feign seriousness at times. I don't like my comedy politics...that's why I don't like Bill Hicks that much. His talent was incredible but Hick's wasted it on complete bitterness and politics.
     
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    #22
    I've been pretty grumpy with comedians since Richard Pryor stopped performing, but I have seen a couple of really talented comedians lately: Christoper Titus and Carlos Mencia.
     
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    #23
    I don't know why I don't like Richard Pryor that much...I think I haven't heard enough of him, probably. I'm not familiar with Titus....hmm...

    Mencia's okay, but I think he's too repetitive with his style.
     
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  4. Josh Inno

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    #24
    Jews are to some degree both a race and a religion. Just as many groups of Native Americans had their own religion specific to their tribe, the Hebrew people had Judaism, which, at least for some periods of history (not sure about currently) was basically a tribal or clan based religion, that one was born into. If one was not -born- into the religion, then one was/is called a Gentile.

    If recall correctly there are currently 3 requirements to being considered a full Jewish man with the right of sanctuary in Israel according to the Rabbinical courts. 1. One must be born into a Jewish family. #2. One must be circumcised in a religious ceremony on the 8th day after their birth. 3. One must have completed a course of study in Judaism, and attended their Bar Mitzvah, basically a graduation ceremony from Hebrew School.

    For girls, I think 1 and 3 hold, only with a Bot Mitzvah, rather than a Bar Mitzvah. I have no idea if there is an equivalent for #2.
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

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    #25
    We could really benefit from an actual Jew contributing to this thread.

    Why are there so many Muslims on DP and so few Jews? Oh yeah... the ovens...
     
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  6. DomainMagnate

    DomainMagnate Illustrious Member

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    #26
    Yes, thats basicly true.

    Military service is obligatory in Israel, 3 years for men and around 2 for women.
    Women can choose to do some social services instead, if they don't want to join the army.
    Obviously not everyone serves the army (for various reasons, like health condition), but still probably over 50% of all population between 18 and 49 do.

    It's not too uncommon in the world btw, in Russia for example, military service is obligatory as well, but very few people do actually serve the army, thats another story though.

    Besides that for couple weeks per year (may vary) everyone should contribute to the army for Conscription (miluim).
    http://wiki.lawguru.com/index.php/Conscription#Israel


    So basicly in case of emergency, within 24-48 hours Israel can mobilize one of the world's most technologically advanced and organized Armies of over half a million people, experienced, very well trained and equipped.. too bad Olmert didn't know that in the war against Hezbollah :D

    Here's a cool vid about Israeli military http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b96qEou9zQI&search=guy


    Josh Inno, what you've described belongs to the religion, only a small part of the Jewish population of Israel live by the religious laws.
    Nowdays you don't even have your nationality written in the passport.
    So thats a tricky question :)

    Any jew in any country of the world can immigrate to Israel, get the citizenship and full rights and receive a substantial financial help and for that even a distant jewish relative will be enough heh, go figure
     
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  7. DomainMagnate

    DomainMagnate Illustrious Member

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    #27
    nah, first IQ tests are nowhere close to actually compare mental capabilities. Secondly, there're all kinds of school exams being done all over the world every year or so, and as far i know Israel is not even among the top performing countries heh. Israel has one of the highest rate of people with university degrees among the general population though.

    Not really... Jewish religion is like Islam, or Christianity, I mean in a form of religion, it's just much harder to get in for a non-Jew (but still possible), because it claims that the Jews were chosen by the God and that kind of stuff, well pretty much every religion assumes that :p but you won't see too many non-jews following Judaism.

    And the jewish race is just like any other race. Basicly you're a jew if your mother is a jew (no matter who your father is), but that is not that easy..
    .. It's estimated that there're only about 15 millions jews al over the world, about 5M in US and 5M in Israel
     
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    #28
    Well, then, count me among the stupid people. I get a kick out of him. He's that guy with the show on the comedy network, yes?
     
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  9. Will.Spencer

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    #29
    It is tempting to think that for only about $5,000,000,000,000.00 we could relocate them all to Arizona.

    I mean basically Israel is a desert country with almost no natural resources.

    There is no rational reason for anyone to want Israel, and yet the Jews want to keep it and the Muslims want to murder them for it. It's a complete waste. It's not like the Muslims are short on real-estate of their own!
     
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  10. latehorn

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    #30
    Isn't $1,000,000 per person waste of money? I think it would be fine with perhaps 200.000$, considering that most of them belongs to the middle or the lower class.
     
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  11. Josh Inno

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    #31
    Please keep in mind that there is a very solid, and very hard to overcome reason for why the USA is behind several other nations in education.

    We don't kick children out of the system for not performing well.
    In some countries, in order to enter -middle- school, you have to pass a test, and which one you go to (if any) is determined by your score. I believe that in Japan this is true with High schools, although I am not sure.
    But those are the only children being tested, the ones actually in school.

    In America, if you're under 18, you have a legal right to get an education, although you can opt out (with parental consent) at age 16 in some places.

    Michael: So even though I am a Christian, if I wanted to I could be granted Israeli citizenship, due to the fact that my father is Jewish, and both of my grandparents were Jews escaping the Polish occupation?
     
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    #32
    Jews is not a race. I think you are refering to Ashkenazi Jews.
     
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    #33
    Polish occupation of what?
     
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    #34
    yes, definitely.
    if you have the docements that proove this, you can just go to the nearest office of Jewish Agency, or some other Jewish organization that deals with that (I'm not quie sure which one is it in US) and receive a free plane ticket to Israel to you and all your family and you'll get Israeli citizenship right after landing in Israel for you and all your family. After that you can stay to live in Israel and receive some financial help (if your financial situation is not good enough that is, but you're probably doing fine anyway ;) ), or leave back to US and have double citizenship.
    Well living in US, the Israeli citizenship probably wont be of much use to you though :)


    this article is a bit old, but you can find some info in it..


    Polish occupation by Nazi Germany
     
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    #35
    By "Polish occupation", I thought he meant a region that was occupied by Poland. If you search for "Polish occupation" in google, the first result is "Polish Occupation of Russia".
     
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  16. Josh Inno

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    #36
    Sorry. I meant an occupation OF Poland by the German invasion.

    Michael: Well I have to say that I am interested in my heritage, and have always been interested in visiting Israel. Honestly, I've always also been fascinated with dual citizenship. I may have to look into this, and the legalities surrounding it.
     
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    #37
    Well I'm happy i could help :)
    you can find the nearest to you office of Jewish Agency here to get more info
     
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  18. Josh Inno

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    #38
    Danke Danke!

    I just realized how weird it is that I occasionally use German words. :confused:

    Anyway, I will try looking it up soon. Unfortunately, I need to get a few more pressing local matters done before I can have spare time to devote to looking something like this up and really doing the needed research. *lesigh*
     
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    #39
    You didn't read the rest of my post. I affirmed they're not a 'race'.
     
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    #40
    A couple of points:

    1. This would be the government doing this. You or I could do it for much less. Any private company could do it for much less. Anything done by the government takes four times as long and costs ten times as much.

    2. We wouldn't just have to move them and house them here, we would have to build the infrastructure (roads, schools, airports, hospitals, etc...) necessary to service 5 million new residents. In the long run, it would be a tremendous financial boon to the U.S, because these educated and hard-working citizens would contribute much more to the economy than they took out of it. In the short term though... it would be quite an investment.
     
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