Jesus fulfilled and ended the old covenant. After the crucifixion of Jesus, none of the old laws (including those quoted above) still apply. I don't know if wmghori was aware of this or not when he posted. Will, your friendly neighborhood athiest
the 1st verse i checked as follows : Leviticus 24:16 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. source : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 24:16&version=9; your version : Leviticus 24:16 the Bible demands: “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death
madonnuts: Once again, that is from the Old Testament. The Old Testament no long applies. It was fulfilled and ended by the crucifixion of Jesus. Do Muslims not study any religion besides their own?
Most people dont study any religion bar their own, yet all are willing to proclaim that theirs is the only true belief without even understanding anyone elses. Especially Christians and Muslims.
Nonsense. Athiesm is the only true religion! The rest of you are all doomed to hell! Doomed I tell you! Doomed!
And the law of the land dictats in some places that the punishment for murder is death. So I guess that means if your neighbor kills somone you should go kill them. That's what the law says right?
The ruler was the one to enforce the law, through use of the police (and potentially army), as is the case today. That does not mean that the law did not pertain to everyone from the beggar to the king. It simply means that the enforcement of the law did not lie in the hands of the every day citizen, although any given citizen should be responsible enough to aid officers in the law in carrying out their duties under just laws.
Exactly. So I'm not sure why people keep quoting OT law. They might as well quote modern day law and punishment and pretend we should all be running around taking the law into our own hands. The law is given to all people. Enforcment of the law is given to those in authority. In Islam the law and punishment is expected to be carried out by everyone. There is no system of authority in Islam like there is in the OT. When the Koran says to go kill all the unbelievers it's not just talking to the authority figures. It's telling all Muslims to do it. In the OT God spoke to the prophets and told the prophet to lead people to do things. God did not go directly to the people and tell them to wage war.
Aye. Although I would like to point something out. The old law still applies. Jesus did not come to remove even one word from it, but rather he has given us a new covenant by which we may be saved.
It's Josh actually. And the law states that it is forbidden to eat the meat of any animal which has a cloven hoof, or does not chew cud. It is still applied. It behooves me to avoid this meat, and in all seriousness I should attempt to avoid this meat. However, even if I do eat bacon, the new covenant still allows me to reach heaven because I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and through him am forgiven my sins... such as if I were to eat bacon. Also, Jesus clearly stated that before we worry about what we put into our mouths we should worry about what comes out of them... clearly giving a hierarchy of priorities. I'm still working on what comes out of my mouth.
Oy vey... I'm going to step back and let one of the actual Christians come in and apply the clue stick.
Actually, I am a Christian, and am studying the bible from front to back. But there is a specific verse in which Jesus states that he has not come to remove even one letter from the law.
Christianity = The use of scaring people so they don't have to face the truth that when they die they will rot in the floor six feet under, people find comfort in picturing a fake god and a fake heaven, but to me thats just sad.
And I find it sad that you look down on those with Religious faith because you personally think that they are deluded, rather than respecting those with different beliefs from your own.
Ok, heres some questions. 1) If, say a Jew, lives a great life.. Is loving, never harms anyone, works for peace tirelessly, etc., will that Jew still go to Hell because he/she doesn't acknowledge Jesus as their savior? And if so, do you think that a loving God would be so unjust? 2) What about all of the other Gods that existed before Abraham? The Egyptians had their gods, the Romans had their gods, what makes your God so real? Are all those people just wrong? What makes your God so unique from all the rest? See, I have no problem with other peoples beliefs, but when those beliefs harm other people than theres a problem, I believe in god - Kind of, but I don't believe in a set of rules that tell me who I should be, or how I should run my life, basically when you disect every religion you get. - Follow God - Follow these Rules Or Else Go to Hell - Follow Rules and Go To heaven Which is just ridiculous.
This is getting into stuff I've heard quoted from Revelations, which I am honestly not comfortable discussing, since I'm hardly anywhere close to reading that particular book through. I've read a few verses, and am honestly rather confused by it, partially because of all of the references to early books that I hadn't read. That's why I'm reading the bible from front to back, i.e. in order at the present time.
There is ceremonial law and moral law. Jesus fullfilled all of it. The ceremonial law we don't do any more like animal sacrifice because all of that was just symbolic of what Christ would do. I don't know what eating pigs falls under but it wasn't moral law. We are not subject to being punished by God for breaking any of God's laws because of what Christ did. We're still expected to obey the moral laws that God has given us out of love for him. Not out of fear. So I'm really confused as to how hell works are a tool to instill fear in people. Nobody goes to hell because they did something wrong. The only reason people go to hell is because they reject God himself. The only reason people go to heaven is because they don't reject God. The general idea is that we obey the moral law because we want to. Not out of fear of punishment. Punishments are a tool to make the wicked behave. Those who love God have nothing to fear. Not even hell. However, your local laws still apply and you are subject to punishment. So if you like to break the law then you should fear the local law enforcement.
The pigs thing, I believe, was in the same class of laws as the ones concerning removing a person from the camp if they started showing signs of a contagious disease, so that the disease would not sweep through the rest of the camp. Eating pork could actually be deadly, as they often carried heart worms which, if ingested, could prove fatal to a human being.
Keep in mind, many old testament laws were replaced by later ones. For example, rather than each person of the Jewish faith being required to pay to the temple 30 pieces of silver for their first born child, the Lord took the tribe of Levi to be his priests. Also, some laws only pertained to the journey from Egypt to Israel, and were replaced by a different law when they got there. Others were only for the time that the Israelites were to be in Israel. So they definitely do not pertain to Christians in the United States in this era. I'm still sorting out which is which.