Bible says there is only one GOD, then why Christian says....

One must have an undergraduate degree...but most seminaries that provide a masters are accredited, meaning that you are doing graduate level work, and therefore they don't just admit anyone...I know the school I went to you had to have a 3.0 in college before they would even talk to you, and then you had to pass everything for the masters as well....no dropping or barely getting by..you have to maintain a 3.0.

 

God manifests himself is many forms and occasionally, simultaniously. It helps us to understand Him better.

Thinking God is multiple people is like thinking because I have a sock puppet on I'm two people. That's a very infantile way of thinking. On par with thinking that because your eyes are closed the world has disappeared.

God revealed himself as a man so that we could relate to him better and so that we could see that he does understand us. He demonstrated the relationship we have with God through the relationship Christ had with his Father.

Think of it as a very elaborate play with one almighty being manifesting himself in all the roles simultaniously.

It's really not that hard to wrap your mind around if you open your mind to the idea that God can do better than sock puppets.

 

Found this debate between two great Scholars about "Is Jesus God?".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4196179647293477969
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1726275798135686780
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6283895935440314610

Please watch the videos completely and with an open mind then post any remarks about it. I haven't watched them yet because of slow connection they are currently being downloaded.

Thanks & Regards,

Waqar

 

Aaaah. Santa Claus. My favourite subject. It's amazing how he manifests himself into millions of Santa's around the globe. This would not be a Trinity of Santas. Would it be a millionity?

 

The existance of other gods/crazy creatures goes not negate the truth of Christianity.

That's like saying that because Satan exists, God can't exist.

 

I found this book called the Bible. It says he is. So if a scholar who's never met Jesus says he isn't then well I think I'll trust the Bible. I have no interest in wasting my time listening to people go on and on about things they don't understand and assuming because they can't understand it that it must not be true.

 

What truth? More a bunch of fantasy. How do you know Christianity or any other religion has any truth in it and it is not only a fantasy explanation of the world by a group of people who did not have enough knowledge to come up with scientific explanation of what they saw in their surrounding?

It is interesting that a group of people in 21st century still discussing a 2000 years old nonsense.

 

Probably because science still has yet to explain the crazy things people saw back then.

Even back then people were too closed minded to accept that what they witnessed was a miracle.

 

You know that there is no proof that Jesus even existed and 25th of December is the day of Mithra the God of sun, don't you?

 

Try to watch that video, you will find more intresting facts about your bible no one ever told you before.

 

The videos are obviously Islamic propaganda. They are such poor quality that it's hard to tell if either participant is actually saying any of that.

No Christian has ever been taught that there is more than one God. The three gods proposition has always been pushed by Muslims as justifiaction that Christians are really pagans because they believe in three gods.

I was raised as a Christian and was taught that Jesus was not God, but was in fact the son of God, which was a metaphor for the fact that he is a part of God. The Muslim progandists take bible interpretation too literally and try to use it as proof that Christians are pagans.

According to documentary that I recently saw on the History Channel, there is no evidence that Jesus ever claimed to be God. The evidence indicates that this may have been added by a Pope in the second century, when most of the New Testament was written.

As far as I am concerned, Jesus was a prophet, and he is recognized as a prophet by Muhammad, much as Muhammad was a prophet. The entire propaganda pitch about Christians believing in three gods was started by Muhammad. Other than the fact that they were both prophets, these two men were polar opposites. Jesus was a man of peace. Muhammad was in fact a war lord who conquered all of Arabia.

If you do not believe that that three gods bit is part of the Islamic propaganda program, check this out:

bismikaallahuma.org (sorry -- cannot yet post a live link)

Every Christian on the planet should be offended by the ignorance of the people who push ideas like this and feel pity for those who believe it.

 

Okay.

Those videos are not intended for a Christian audience. They're indended for people who are uneducated and easily fooled.

 

Thanks Dudley. That’s what I was hoping to hear from a Christian that Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet of GOD, not a son of GOD and he was a human.

How can you blame Muhammad (PBUH) for the trinity propaganda, you just admitted that the trinity concept was entered in NT in 2nd century by POPE. Muhammad (PBUH) taught that Jesus was a Prophet and trinity concept is against his teachings.

Wars in Muhammad’s (PBUH) life time were in defense (e.g. war of Badar, War of Uhad, War of Khandaq etc.) in defense of the holy city of Madina. Don't believe me, search for the work non-Muslim historians who don't hate Islam you can find proof in that. Muhammad (PBUH) conquers the city of Makkah with shedding a single drop of blood. General pardon was given to everyone in the city even to the ones who tortured him before he was forced to migrate from the city of Makkah. If Muhammad (PBUH) wasn’t a man of peace he wouldn’t have done that. (Muhammad (PBUH) is a war lord infect is a propoganda against Islam and him)

If Islam was spread by the tip of sword then there would be hardly any Muslim left in this world. It’s against human psychology to accept any concept or idea by force. Regarding the concept that Muslims force people to accept Islam or die in the war is not true.

Before every War Muslim forces offer three choices to their enemies ( Not like today e.g. GWB Jr.:”either you are with us or against us”)

And they were giving in the following order (No changes are allowed in that order keep in mind that).

1. Accept Islam (Not by force but by its teachings and by free will)
2. If you don’t like to accept Islam then Pay Tax to get in the jurisdiction of the Islamic Nation by doing that govt. of that time was oblige to protect them against their enemies, provide food, provide education etc. And they have equal rights in the court of Law like any other Muslim (that same rule applies still today).
3. Finally if you don’t like the above two offers then fight. In the fight those who surrender are come under the proctection and they can not be tortured for any type of information (And this wasn't the rule at that time, this still isn't the common practice in present days, even the most civilized country like US is captivating POWs in worse condition and tortures them).

Hope that might have cleared some misconception in your mind about Islam. Dont believe in everything you hear on TV or read in newspapers about Islam or islamic countries. Try to visit them to find how kind hearted they are. (Note: don't goto Iran, Iraq or afghanistan cause they pissed because they are under sentions or in state of War. You are welcome in any other country )

Regards,

Waqar Ghori

 

Kalvin, that debate was taken place in the church and at the time of the debate all the staff of that church was present with muslim and christian audiance. In directly you are calling Preachers of that church, uneducated or foolish. I'm pretty sure they are more qualified than you in the teachings of christianity.

 

The problem is that Mr M viewed women as property.

The nature of God is a discussion completely seperate of the problems that Mr M created with Islam. To accept Islam is to accept that women are property.

No Christian has said Jesus was not the son of God.

You jumped too soon. Until you can go back in time and prevent Mr M from teaching that women are property, Islam is not a viable religion for civilized society no matter how correct or not Christianity is.

If those preachers are teaching things contrary to the Bible then they have no place in a Christian church. Jesus warned of false teachers. Why should I believe any man over the Bible? Ignorant people exist in all areas.

 

jeese, you guys have to much free time
I barely have time to watch over my house, let along argue with ppl online about religion..lol

 

It's very easy to not question your beliefs and just find random silly videos/documents on the internet that support your view and pretend that the maker of said media is an expert so they must be right.

Debating forces you to think about why you believe what you believe.

I find it funny that Muslims can't try to understand Christianity. They get to a certain point where they think they're "winning" and then try to sell Islam. Thanks to KLB, Muslims are now going to have to sell us on treating women as property like Mr M expects.

Meanwhile this entire discussion has nothing to do with Islam. The nature of God and Christ is purely a Christian discussion.

 

Let's say that both Christianity and Islam are stupid in 21st century. While both religions were positive forces in their time 2000 and 1400 years ago; these books and religions have nothing to do with the realities of life in 2006.

 

you can say that.

Doesn't mean anything. But you can say that.

How much of human nature has changed in 2000 years?

 

For Christians and Muslims, not that much.
For the rest of us, enough.