Bible says there is only one GOD, then why Christian says....

In the beginning was the thought, and the though was with God, and the thought was God..

And the thought was made flesh, and dwelt among us

In the beginning was the Water, and the Water was with God, and the Water was God..

And the Water was made flesh, and dwelt among us

In the beginning was the nothing, and the nothing was with God, and the nothing was God..

And the nothing was made flesh, and dwelt among us

In the beginning was the Air, and the Air was with God, and the Air was God..

And the Air was made flesh, and dwelt among us


IN THE END ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE TOTAL NON SENSE, NO MATTER WHICH ONE YOU CHOSE.

 

Because it doesn't have to... it goes without saying. Do we not read:

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Does Jesus not say:

Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

 

You said it not me.

 

OK. Let us have a look at Rev 21:5

Who was it that was speaking? Not Jesus. He does not have the throne at this point in time. Only God does.

This is what I mean by taking things out of context.

Col

 

If Jesus and God are the same, does this mean that he made his own mother pregnant?

 

Now there's a thought I never heard before. Wow!

 

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You're not getting the point. If, by your own interpretation, in fact it is God speaking in Rev then take a look at this:

God says: I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely

What does Jesus say in the Scripture I provided?

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life

By your own understanding they are both giving the same water. How can that be?

You are like someone who climbs right to the top of the wall only to slip back down again. You need to breach the wall of your own understanding.

 

I gather you need to do a bit more research. In fact, both God and Jesus speak on separate occasions in Revelation.

My own understanding is my understanding of the Bible. What you are doing is putting two separate verses together without any basis for doing so. Hence, taking it out of context.

By the way. How was the method I proposed to get rid of that nasty cold you had?

Col

 

The word Us is used as a Royal Plural. You know what royal plurals are? They are used by the royalities refereing to themselves.

And GOD is certianly the one and only true Royalty

 

Thats a very logical question

 

If you read Matthew 1:18

"Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah took place in this way. When his monther Mary has been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit."

God was at work in the world in the person of the Holy Spirit, who impregnated Mary, the virgin, so that she could give birth to the Messiah. So yes, God made Mary pregnant so that she could give birth to Jesus. This is also the reason he is the "Son of God". This is why Catholics hold Mary in such high regard I think (I'm not catholic).

 

Wrong in that, the original language of the OT was Hebrew, not aramaic. Jesus most likely spoke in Aramaic though. The NT was originally written in greek. Furthurmore, you are correct when you talk about Eloi, it does mean "My God". In the NT (Mark 15:34) where it is used, it is translate correctly as My God", so I am not sure where you think it is translated wrongly.

However, you are incorrect in that you say Jesus never referred to God as Father. In Mark 14:36, Jesus says: "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." "Abba" in aramaic is actually a translation for "daddy", as well as "father." I will be happy to debate this further, I have a Masters in theology as well as several years of study in the hebrew and aramaic languages...

 

Fortunatly, the Bible is much simpler than that.

Children can understand the Bible. People who can't understand it are thinking too hard and come up with silly questions like "so God is his own father?"

Does it matter? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

 

thats also like asking "if God is all powerful, then can he make a rock so big he can't lift it?" Ask your local pastor, they probably also have a degree in theology. Last time I checked you had to have this degree if you wanted to become a pastor...the bible is simple, except for people who read to much into it and/or don't read it at all and think they know what is in it.

 

And people who understand it are NOT thinking at all. It seems lack of ability to logical and sane thinking is a prerequisite to understanding religious books.

 

There being a trinity, or not, is an interpretation of man. The leading Christian religious leaders debated the topic of Jesus’s divinity, and the concept of the trinity hotly at the religious summit hosted by emperor Constantine, and the trinity was the view ascribed to in the end by most of these leaders. However, the heatedness of the debate shows just how much the trinity is a matter of Christian Philosophy… at least according to my understanding.

At this point in my life there is little that I am absolutely and positively sure of, religiously. I am sure that the God who revealed himself to Abraham exists, and is the creator of this world. I believe that Jesus lived, and despite the pain, and bereavement he felt, and asking the Lord that, if there was another way, to let him avoid the cross… knew the path he walked, and willingly obeyed his father to die on the cross, in order for my sins to be forgiven. Because my faith in him is the one way for me to be forgiven my transgressions against the lord, and my fellow man, and because I believe to him, I have a path through him to see heavy, and my Hoy Father one day. I believe that I will see Jesus there, seated at the right hand of the Father of us all.

I believe that I have a long way to go in my understanding of the bible, and in my love for my fellow man, even members of my family, before I can be certain of any more. In the mean time, I study the bible it’s self.

Now, all that being said, I do not think that the trinity is “Illogical Hogwash”. I think that it is entirely possible for God to manifest himself in as many seemingly discreet entities as he wishes.

 

For Lutheran Pastors, the last time I asked, one merely had to have a college degree in order to enter Ministry School... which is a whole additional school to go through... however most do gain Theology Degrees before going to ministry school.

 

Why? Any proof? You could as well be absolutely and positively sure of that Santa Claus, big feet and other imaginary creatures exist.

 

gworld, Kalvin was right. You're trying to think but nothing happens. We know it's not your fault

 

I agree with you that the original language of the Bible is Hebrew and that is why people get it wrong,It is true that you do not need a degree to know God but it helps when dealing with people who wants to debate.
There is a lot of place where Jesus refers to God as his father.