Google says PageRank does matter!

Discussion in 'Google' started by bobby9101, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. #1
    I have been around the web for awhile, recently I have been hearing that PageRank isn't more than a nice number, that can help you sell some additional links.

    Well anyway, I was signing up for adsense today, and noticed:
    So I guess they are pretty much saying PageRank influences ranking.

    Now, the only question is: is it toolbar pagerank? Or something that G has cooked up in their labs and haven't shown us. :D
     
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  2. ophir.oren

    ophir.oren Peon

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    #2
    Google has the toolbar ranking that is public as well as an inner ranking number that is private for Google use only.
    but in general, PR doesn't effect on your position on search results as it did before. I stumbled across websites with low PR that received higher positioning than it's competition with a higher ranking.
     
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  3. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Links matter to google. Links add PR, but PR alone will not help you rank better. There are industry experts (head of ASK search) who believe google abandoned PR for SERPS some time ago. Relevant links from authority sites are what will help you rank better. Authority sites tend to have high PR. Getting links from authority sites will increase your PR - so the two tend to happen at the same time, but it's the authority link, not the PR, that is helping your SERPS. Buying links from non-related sites will increase your PR - and do nothing for your SERPS.

    Unless you are selling links or want PR to help with link exchanges, you should forget about PR.
     
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  4. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    #4
    It does matter somewhere else but doesn't directly at ranking :p
     
    Mong, Dec 11, 2006 IP
  5. markov

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    Yes i too agreee with it. Even with lower PR one can have high SERP.
     
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  6. bobby9101

    bobby9101 Peon

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    I agree with all above statements.
    And yes I have seen PR4's above PR6's in rankings.
    But it has to be in there somewhere. I mean nobody can make a definite answer, but I would think they would abandon it if it wasn't more than just a number.
     
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  7. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Google is known to put out Red Herrings to combat everyone who is trying to manipulate their rankings for their benefit. Everyone targets google - and if they came out and said they had abandoned it, it would only complicate their problems by everyone trying something else. There are likely 100 different factors in the google algorithm, and if PR is still a factor, it is so small that it is likely at the bottom of the list. I see sites with low PR and even no PR outranking PR7's sites - both of which are targeting the same niche. I have many PR4 sites that outrank others I have which are PR7. PR used to be a factor, just not any more.
     
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  8. bobby9101

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    maybe I was blind, but havs't it always been that lower PR sites could outrank higher PR sites? I haven't noticed a change in my searching days.
     
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  9. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Sure it has, but in the past, it was a lot harder for a high PR site (targeting the same keyword) to be outranked by a low or no PR site. Now I see it all the time - even for highly competitive terms (over 100K overture). I have over 60 sites, been involved in SEO for 8 years, and see this is in every sector on a daily basis.
     
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  10. MeetHere

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    But pages with good on-page optimization and PR ranks high..
     
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  11. kh7

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    #11
    PR is one, and only one, of the factors involved in ranking. Yes, it does make a difference - but it isn't the only factor involved. Trust is probably more important then PR.
    The refrain that PR doesn't matter is a simplification, as much as the obsession with PR is a simplification. We all tell webmasters that don't rank well to get links - why? So they will get PR / get indexed by google. We also tell them not to trade links with untrusted websites - why: because PR isn't the whole story: linking to a 'bad neighbourhood' is not good for your site.

    The main thing is: it's not black and white. PR matters, but it's not the whole story.
     
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  12. Jasonb

    Jasonb Well-Known Member

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    it obviusly does, or there woudnt be such thing
     
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  13. manageyourlinks

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    ever think google has the toolbar page rank just to keep webmasters guessing? I def wouldnt say just b/c they have it they must. Like other have eluded google isnt going to tell you everything.
     
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    Pr is main unit of link exchange. Everybody who want to exchange the exchanger say what is pr but they dont know that it cant help you what he or she was looking for having more and more links get you top in ranking but having Pr dont. Just collect good links and do good in Seo
     
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    #15
    Page is nothink for serp pages but on the otherwise page rank is an economic value for your site;)
     
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    I saw a lot of examples for very low PR and good ranking positions...

    It's all about relevancy...
     
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  17. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #17
    Yes, Pagerank is still very important..
    Many of you may disagree with me..but, there is a common misunderstanding that Whether PR is a factor of Ranking, The Answer is no..
    PR isnt a factor of SERP, but it is an outcome of your link building method.

    Google asigns Pagerank to pages based on many factors, Backlinks, and Content are one of the most important factors. So it simply the higher PR you will have for any page, the higher possition it will get for the keyword it is optimized for.. (and that includes, on-page optimization as well as off-page optimization like anchor text)

    Now the PR we see on google toolbar, is genuin but it is only a snapshot of the past (usualy a month or two older of the update date). so it doesnt reflect your current possition.
     
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    Oh, no.

    It matters big time.

    PageRank is it, higher ranked pages, come up more in search requests.

    Google's search revolves on PageRank
     
    adnan, Dec 11, 2006 IP
  19. mistermix

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    Links are very important to SERPs. Pagerank measures a pages back link archetecture.

    So page rank is important.
     
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    What would you say are currently the top 5 or so Google algorythm factors?
     
    cafinater, Dec 11, 2006 IP