What do you think about HTML frameworks?

Best Web Designing Frameworks for 2014?
Twitter Bootstrap 3, Foundation Framework, Gumby Framework, maybe Yahoo Pure CSS? What do you think?

 

I think Bootstrap is better. Runs smoothly, fully responsive and has a lot of features.

 

IDIOTIC HALFWIT BULLSHIT THAT DEVELOPERS ARE DUMBER FOR EVEN HAVING THEM EXIST!!! -- Yes, I mean ALL of them!

From their effectively relying on presentational use of classes, usually resulting in broken layouts on mobile when they claim that's why they exist, encouraging design concepts that have no blasted business on websites in the first damned place, and being by themselves uncompressed larger than I'd allow the entire HTML, CSS, IMAGES and SCRIPTS (not counting content) to reach on a template -- while typically having developers write more of their own bloated markup and CSS to support it, that ANYONE who has ANY malfing clue what the **** they are doing would use them by choice is just MIND-BLOWING.

The mouth-breathing morons who consider ANY of these to serve a legitimate purpose don't know enough about HTML, CSS, Selectors or accessibility to be creating but two things right now!

There's a reason I say "Bootcrap? Do yourself a favor and find a stick to scrape that off with". Taking web development advice from Yahoo? Why don't you go ask Zastava how to make a luxury automobile.

Of course with HTML 5 setting coding practices back a decade and a half, I shouldn't be surprised to see code bloat bull reminiscent of the garbage code people used to vomit up in BASIC, Cobol or DiBol back when clients were charged by the K-LOC!

ANYONE who considers ANY of those to be worth using probably isn't qualified to be making websites in the first place! Do the world a favor, and back the **** away from the keyboard and don't come back until you know enough HTML and CSS to realize just how unbelievably STUPID you are for thinking ANY of these serve a legitimate purpose other than preying on the ignorance of others you sleazy scam-artist scumbags!

 

What he said. If you really have a clue about html and css, you find you don't need any of that crap. The gormless think it helps, but that's because they're, well, gormless.

jQuery is a great library IF you know enough javascript to be able to extract the functions you need into a lean, fit for purpose library of your own. Otherwise you're creating a bloated, slow to load web site, kinda like MSOffice.

 

^ jQuery would be cool as hell if on the website you could check the functions you need and then it would out put a custom package just for you.

As for HTML/CSS frameworks...

I gotta agree with the two above me. I've never used any frameworks before, HTML/CSS is easy enough that you shouldn't need one. It looks like it's very confusing though with all the div column stuff.

I don't like to sacrifice control or pay a performance tax unless I absolutely have too, so I'll just stick with my own html/css for now.

 

Well there ia not much I can add to what @deathshadow posted. HTML frameworks are crap, css frameworks are crap, and Jquery based anything is a gift from the depths of hell designed to corrupt and steal the soul of otherwise promising young developers.

If you can't write your own code and you are too lazy or too stupid to learn then do the world a favor and get a job flipping burgers or selling used cars; there are already more than enough wannabe morons pretending to be web developers.

 

My vote is for Twitter Bootstrap 3. It has highest vote.

 

OP - have you noticed a trend in the responses here?

Folks who have been around the block a time or three, and have more than a few weeks experience are warning you away from utilizing any type of "one-size-fits-all" framework.

Maybe you should pay attention to those answers (which I agree with, btw). You might pick up some wisdom along the way.

 

I'm not convinced of that just because I don't agree with how jQuery works, particularly the confusing "daisy chaining" of methods and needlessly and pointlessly cryptic syntax. It's why I set out to make my own lightweight "not a framework" library; that I'm very quickly souring on partly from corner cases being a pain in the ass, partly because on any given website I'm unlikely to use more than a third of it, and partly because most of what you CAN do with JavaScript probably SHOULDN'T be done on websites.

 

I don't know enough about JavaScript to say. A lot of times there's a few functions I'd like to use on a website, but I can't justify including the entire library. It's pretty difficult to find pure js solutions or guides online these days too. Every time i search for how to do something in JS, I get about 20 jQuery answers and maybe one stackoverflow pure JS answer.

Your library look cools, but you need (better?) documentation, for people like me. Tell us what each function does and provide short example bits, know what I mean?

Back to HTML frameworks, why does everyone like them? I've never even looked at one before. HTML/CSS is so easy I feel like they'd just make it more complex. I browse the web jobs section on craigslist sometimes and A LOT of jobs are like "experience with genesis/bootstrap/foundation/skeleton/whatever-they're called framework a plus"

 

Thank you for confirming one of my suspicions about the docs -- the sidebar placement of the subsections is making it so people aren't FINDING the subsections.

http://www.elementalsjs.com/reference

The downloads links being forced on the page by my CMS config is pushing the links to the actual reference bits too far down the page. Specifically:
http://www.elementalsjs.com/Element
and
http://www.elementalsjs.com/polyfillsAndExtensions

Which provides EXACTLY what you are asking for. I was thinking that might have been part of the problem, people not being able to find pages like this:
http://www.elementalsjs.com/Element.get

The docs you are asking for ARE there, I just need to make finding them more intuitive.

 

Thats crazy, how i looked right past it. I think its the way the hyperlinks are all different. I think subconsciously my brain through it was an advertisement or something and tuned it out.

 

Bootstarap is hot in 2014 because of its nature it is more successful because it is supporting every browser and its usability is really awesome.

 

Ever notice 90%+ of the people praising bootstrap can't even form a coherent sentence, much less a coherent thought? Seems like a trend.

 

I think twitter Bootstrap is better frame work. it is easy to use and easy to work.

 

i like twitter Bootstrap is better frame work.

 

... and the comedy begins.

 

I use Bootstrap and Foundation, However I prefer Bootstrap because of the helpful community.

 

If you didn't use those types of "helpers", you wouldn't need the helpful community. Instead, you could concentrate more on actually learning to use css and html properly.

cheers,

gary

 

What I meant was the community at BS is much larger and of course helpful when you find out that you need to fix a bug and eg. And this thread is asking about which is the best framework in 2014 which I recommended BS.

I don't usually seek help on BS community unless there's a need to. Bootstrap is bloated and limits your options if you adopt it.

I've been in the web design industries for quite sometimes. Used to code from scratch but all these framework make life easier for us anyway.