President Obama today expressed support for Ukraine’s efforts to quell the eastern uprising. It came

Are you sure you are not obamanation under another name? You just make up your nonsense as you go along and every time proven wrong, you just come up with new nonsense. I don´t have time to deal with all your BS, so just show how wrong you are in the first sentence of your post.
Ukrainian protesters get visit from Sen. John McCain
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/14/world/europe/ukraine-protests/


The hand of U.S. diplomacy swept down overUkraine this week with an odd bit of American largesse — a plastic bag of bread. Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, bore the bag on Wednesday into the crowd of protesters camped out in the middle of the capital, Kiev.
http://world.time.com/2013/12/13/western-diplomats-are-going-to-dissapoint-ukraines-protesters/

She is the same woman who wanted return on the USA 5 billion investment in Ukraine by changing the regime. Do you want I post the video on that phone call too?

 

I am very sorry for you if you think that 45 millions of Ukrainian population adored Yanukovich; that Majdan is a military revolt, financed by USA and visits of McCain and Nuland had major influence on Majdan. This is the same point of view Putin shares, who first said "there were no Russian army in Crimea" and then said "we had to protect Crimean population, so we entered our military force there to support the referendum".

Putin is trying to manipulate the facts and lie to the whole world. Do you do the same?

Yanukovich NEVER was a democratically elected president. 2010 elections were heavily falsified which was aknowledged by many experts worldwide. Ukrainians accepted this to avoid civil war. 4 years later they had no other choice but to begin protesting.
The whole country was robbed, nearly all business was demolished, army was destroyed, budget was stolen. All Ukrainians had left was huge debts and their lives. They gave their lives to be freed from Yanukovich regime.

All other is lies, lies, lies. I do not trust Putin. I do not think Majdan was supported by the US. I watched live streams from Youtube and saw hundreds of trucks from all over Ukraine delivering food, warm clothes, fuel, medical supplies and people to Majdan. The whole nation stood united in an effort to overthrow a corrupted regime of bandits. They could not lose and they won. By the way, they did not stand on cold streets to support Yazenyuk or Nuland. They stood, fought and died to get rid of Yanukovich.

SE Ukraine also participated in that effort, despite the official propaganda. People saw Yanukovich was stealing everything everywhere, including Donetsk and Lugansk, why should they have supported him? Of course there were paid anti-Majdan protesters and "titushki", you can find their interviews on Youtube too. They were telling absolute crap and bullsh1t, which clearly shows they were biased. Now they have Russian weapons (not only SMG's and AK-103, they have artillery, BMP's and AA weapons - all Russian) and they call themselves DonetskPeopleRepublic. 5 000 armed terrorists try to control 3 000 000 unarmed civilians and kill anybody who tries to protest.

THERE WAS NO BLOODSHED IN UKRAINE UNTIL PUTIN BEGAN HIS PROVOСATIONS! No Russians were killed in Lviv or Galitchina, not a single Russian library or store was burned. Instead - in the SE Ukraine Russian terrorists kill Ukrainian civilians and try to lie to the whole world it was done by "nazis from Western Ukraine". Please, do not support lies.

I will not answer you any more. If you think Nuland and McCain forced Ukrainians to protest - I am very sorry for you. I only hope Putin will not begin WWIII, all the rest is absolutely not important.

 

On top: February 2014. Kiev. Planned operation by the WEST to establish a new power in Ukraine.
Bottom: April. Slovyansk. Peaceful civilians of Donbas region (the bearded one on far right is even not ukrainian, but russian came from Russia).

p.s: russian propaganda rulesssss.

 

Most of the people living in the Kiev didn´t care about what was happening and if they were not working or living in the center of Kiev then life was as usual. It was neo-nazi groups that were hoping to get the power and there was football hooligans and poor people that every day going to fight and make trouble because they were getting $30 a day which is more than they make from working if they had a job. All Ukranian is aware of this and many of them know someone who was involved to get his daily money. Considering the amount of money CIA officially delivered to Ukraine and so little money that was paid to these people, I guess that some of the CIA agents and some of the Ukranian on top became very rich.

 

Lies, lies, lies, crap, crap and bullsh1t. You just copypaste Russian propaganda. The same crappy sh1t that lies about EVERYTHING, EVERY MINUTE and EVERY DAY. Are you a liar too? When in December, 31st 300 000 people stood on Majdan and sang Ukrainial anthem - RusTV said these were 50-100 paid protesters. But when in April 500 paid protesters from Rostov came to Kharkiv and captured the City hall (killing 3 Ukrainians) to be dragged out, beaten and chained by Kharkiv police force (none were killed) - RusTV said that Pravyi Sektor began horrific slaughter in Kharkiv.

here are some proofs
- read the comments.
- explanation is on screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPilnCDphXo - they brainwash even their kids.

When in March pro-Russian "titushki" attacked pro-Ukrainian manifestation in Donetsk and killed 5 unarmed people - RusTV said quite the contrary, stating that "Pravyi Sektor attacked peaceful pro-Russian protesters", despite the OBVIOUS FACT THAT DRUNK ARMED MEN WERE YELLING "RUSSIA" and were wearing 3-colored stripes of Russian flag, while bleeding men and women were wearing Ukrainian flag colors!!!!!

When on the 2nd of May 200 drunk Russian idiots ( I cannot think of them any different) attacked 5000 armed football fans in Odessa, were withdrawn, escaped to House of Trade Unions, and began SHOOTING CIVILIANS (killing 45 unarmed citizens, including women) from behind the POLICE LINE (all invoved police officers from Odessa are arrested and await court by now) - citizens of Odessa bought vodka, mixed it with fuel, made Molotov cocktails and burned that Trade Union House to the ground with these sh1theads inside. RusTV began spreading lies about "nazi Pravyi Sektor burning pro-Russian protesters alive" but that crap went off very soon, as multiple videos are available, proving my point is right and RusTV are liars.

RusTV recently showed footage from 2012 when RUSSIAN SOLDIERS KILLED CIVILIANS IN KABARDINO-BALKARIA to stop civil unrest. RusTV said that video is about Ukrainian forces killing Ukrainian pro-Russian protesters in SE Ukraine nowadays. That lie was disproved the same day and Dmitry Kiselyov (dictor and showman) was added to the sanctions list for spreading lies.

and many many more disproofs of Russian lies can be easily found on Youtube, news portals and other open sources.

Are you an idiot to believe Kremlin? Or are you considering us as idiots to believe this crap you repeat after them? I stand on firm ground of multiple proofs that RUSSIANS ARE LYING ABOUT EVERY SINGLE EVENT IN UKRAINE. Don't become a liar too, please.

All Ukrainian shared what they could to support Majdan. Hundreds of trucks with supplies were delivered DAILY. Video and photo proofs are also on Youtube and other open sources, everyone can easily Google it. Don't try to lie us, gworld.

 

I don't know what amount of education can fix the minds of fascists and the self righteous ..





https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/luhansk-after-air-strike-graphic.2722464/

 

1) Do you speak Russian? Then you would understand what the author tells. He says that these are victims of TERRORISTS.
2) The so called "airstrike" was actually a GROUND MISSILE LAUNCH performed by RUSSIAN TERRORISTS, here is the video proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTKgrH50yM

Pay attention to people WALKING AROUND - would you walk around when an attacking plane flies above you?. NOT A SINGLE VIDEO ABOUT "AERIAL BOMBING" has SOUND. Because there was NO SOUND OF ATTACKING PLANE. There always are videos of DEAD BODIES AFTER THE EXPLOSION. But the explosion was after the GROUND MISSILE LAUNCH FROM RUSSIAN TERRORISTS.

"SE Ukraine peaceful protesters" are armed to their teeth Russian neonazists, who were given the most modern weaponry Russia has in disposal BUT WERE NOT GIVEN TRAINING WITH IT. AA Missile Station "Strela" they use needs 20 seconds to capture the target (heat emission from the engine). They just launched the missile, it flew onwards and exploded on the street. They launched another one (without locking the target again) and it aimed at City Hall window with AIR CONDITIONER emitting HEAT. Terrorist launched missiles twice and missed targets twice. And RusTV reporters began yelling about "Ukrainian airstrike".

Ukrainian government cares for Lugansk civilians, because they need Lugansk in Ukraine. Russian terrorists do not care, they came from Russia to kill Ukrainians and they do it. This was made to create these videos and blame Ukraine. FUCK RUSSIANS AND IDIOTS WHO BELIEVE IN THEIR CRAP!

Don't be an idiot. Watch. Listen. Think. Don't spread lies.

 

I dont know either , man...

 

I will give you some explanations. Let's assume you live in a city close to a border. Half of the city has relatives across the border and does business abroad. Business is mostly smuggling, because legal sources of work like plants or mines are nearly depleted and ruined. The ruling government and the President are from your city, yet they do nothing to develop the region, they are busy robbing and stealing everything they can (they did it previously on the city level, now the whole country is being robbed.)

Add the cultural and language differences, causing people across the border (speaking the same language) to seem more close and understandable than people from the west of your country. They want the country official language to be the only official, you want your regional language to be official too.Do you have 2-3-5-11 official languages in your country, ST12? or one? This situation remains the same for 30 years. A generation knowing nothing but robbery and powerty lives without any hope for the best.

Then the corrupted regime is overthrown, by Majdan, uniting people from the whole country. However, struggle was made mostly by people from the west of the country, as they were ready to fight, not only to protest. They do not hate you, they hate corrupted government and president, who lied to them and ignored their requests. The country is going to rebuild the economy and develop, to begin a new life. (By the way, many Russians were on Majdan and fought alongside their Ukrainian brethren. Most of them are under arrest now, after returning to Russia)

However, your northern neighbor across the border does not want to have a prosperous and successful country nearby, because his totalitarian regime, relying on brute power and total social suppression, will fall once people see they can change their lives for better.

What does this neighbor do? They begin spreading lies and provocations. They invade your country telling lies about "local militiamen with artillery, BMP's and Russian navy" only idiot would believe. Lying to the whole world and stealing a part of your country. They try to base their annexation on "protection of the civil population, that will otherwise BE SLAUGHTERED BY NAZISTS FROM THE WEST". And not a single member of Pravyj Sector was seen in Crimea.

What does this annexation give Russia and Putin?

• sea ports and navy docks for their fleet
• huge deposits of oil and natural gas on the seabed and on the peninsula
• military bases for nuclear bombers
• possibility to build new gas transporting system without paying much money to Ukraine. Simply stealing Ukrainian soil, sea, oil and gas. It is called "help"

Do you see any profits for local population? I see none, but who cares? Putin wanted Crimea and Putin took it.

However, new territory is separated from the mainland by 2 regions - your regions, Donetsk and Lugansk.

By the way, about Slavyansk (Lugansk region):

• the city is in the centre of the largest European deposit of shale gas
• has Shell company gas-processing plant 90% complete
• is 100 rm away from major gas transport system

all the above means Russian economic collapse in a month after this plant begins production, as it is capable of sufficing all European needs for gas. Without Russia. Not to mention the need for building huge infrastructure and maintenance stations, giving work and salary to thousands of Lugansk citizens.

And your regions are also invaded by the same kossacks under the same motto - "protection from western NAZISTS"
However, western nazists do not appear. Bloody "Pravyj Sektor" remains in the capital and western regions and does not want to slaughter the population of SE Ukraine AND DID NOT KILL A SINGLE RUSSIAN for these 4 months.

What should hundreds of armed and exited men waiting for mythical Pravyj Sector do to spend time? Of course, they begin robbing and kidnapping people, capturing official buildings and robbing supermarkets (prooflink ). Did Ukrainian aviation rob that supermarket? Or Pravyj Sektor? No, pro-Russian armed militiamen did it.

And you suddenly begin to realize that Ukrainian army and special forces are not going to kill you. They want to protect you from REAL NAZIST FROM THE EAST (proofs are too numerous, many Russian neo-fascist organisations' flags were seen in Ukraine, videos are on Youtube, search for "russian neonazists" and you will find them with ease).

Then "Ukrainian army makes airstrike at Lugansk City Hall". with 2 missiles, one of which hits the street and the other hits the air conditioner under the city hall window? Do you know, ST12, how many missiles does SU27 attack jet carry? If it shoots, it destroys a large area, not a couple of cars and 5 people.

My point of view remains the same. DOn't trust a single word Russia says. Till Putin is in power - believing him means being an idiot. I am not the one.

And yes, N_F_S is absolutely right. Compare the Groznyj pictures after Russian army attack (the city was totally destroyed, with thousands of people killed) to Ukrainian army attacking russian terrorists, avoiding any victims in civilians. And then tell me, who the real nazists are?

 

How do you make up such BS? Are you saying that people should submit to a language that they don´t speak or understand? Look at India, I think it has 12 official languages based on an area of the country. Look at Turkey and Iran who have been trying more than a century to kill Kurdish language and all it has achieved is civil war.
The industrial and mining part of Ukraine is the east and the smugglers are in the west. No wonder they could come to Kiev for $30 a day, they had no job and nothing better to do. It is a common practice of the USA to use hooligans and local criminals to arrange "protests" to over throw governments. Look at the history, it is not the first time.

 

India has 1 billion people population and China has 1.5 billion, of course they need many languages (mandarin is still the only official Chinese as far as I know). While Russia has 140 million and 86 ethnic groups living there - yet Russian is their only official language. False logic. Ukraine has only 45 million population, it does not need 2 or 3 or 5 languages. Russians in Ukraine speak Russian freely, language problem is a fiction Russian government uses to justify their crimes. Don't be an idiot to believe it or expect us to be idiots to believe you.

Unfortunately, you seem to know sh1t about Ukraine. I was born there and many my friends still live there. Lugansk region has NOTHING but smuggle business. Now it ha to be stopped according to EU laws and people do not want this cheap money to be shut down.

Westerners do not only smuggle, they also work abroad to feed families back home. Amount of smuggled goods between Russian and Ukraine is about 300 trucks daily, while between Hungary and Ukraine is only about 50 daily, just incomparable.

Seriously man, you sound retarded. If your lasy ass needs $30 a day to go out of your home and protest against bandits robbing your country - I am sorry for you. Majdan was not paid by US government and if they did pay - people cared sh1t about it, they stood and fought for their ideas, not for money.

You will say about logistics and organisation. It was all created THERE and the whole nation sent food, clothing, medicines and other supplies there. Did you hear about Automajdan? Hundreds of trucks delivered supplies from each city of Ukraine DAILY. It was a nationwide effort, uniting all cities of the country. Even Donetsk and Lugansk citizens stood there, they were fed up with bandit regime too.

What unemployed hooligans are you talking about? Lawyers and doctors who went to Independence square after work and helped with all they could? People from Vinnitza, Kharkiv, Odessa, Dnipro, even Moscow and S-Pb (which are mostly in jail by now) came there to fight tyranny.

Stop saying crap about "paid hooligans", you sound ridiculous. Actually, there were some. They were called "titushki", they were recruited from the worst sh1tholes all over the country and were paid to attack Majdan. they are called Antimajdan and most of them are now acting as "peaceful protesters" shooting Ukrainians in Lugansk. If you cannot understand who is who - stop saying crap at least, please.

Watch any Youtube stream from the December-January- February.Tens of thousands of people singing National Anthem and fighting on the frost. For $30 a day? I am sorry for your limited mind if you really think so.

 

LOL. Some idiot in digitalpoint wants to decide what countries should speak different languages and which one shouldn´t. The population in Turkey or Iran is not much bigger than Ukraine but it didn´t stop the war with Kurdish minorities. People should have rights to speak their language and even if the Russia doesn´t do it, it still doesn´t make it right that therefore people in Ukraine should not have that right.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-and-eu-are-paying-ukrainian-rioters-and-protesters/5369316



Do they look like Doctors and Lawyers for you?

 

Lol. some idiot thinks he knows what Ukrainians want better than Ukrainians. Having 2 official languages in Ukraine would result in spending a huge sum of money on creating ALL road signs and street names in 2 languages. All officials WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN BOTH OFFICIAL LANGAGES (and most of Ukrainian officials cannot speak Ukrainian, they communicate in Russian and documents are written by a secretary, who knows Ukrainian). AND NO ONE IS OFFENDED, RUSSIAN LANGUAGE HAS A STATUS OF REGIONAL AND EVERYBODY IS FREE TO SPEAK IT!

About people on the pictures. Of course there were hired men ready to fight. Or you think glamour office secretaries should fight special police forces? This is most likely the picture of Pravyj Sector, people that were hired and trained to fight.

But what about this video -

Don't you see women there? Or all you see is a crowd of angry men?

Stop trying to misplace the facts. There was Majdan - hundreds of thousands of UNARMED CIVILIANS, who stood to protest against tyranny. And there was MAJDAN DEFENCE FORCE, divided by Hundreds, mostly formed by Pravyj Sector.

Don't be an idiot, please. My school friend lives in Kiev and she was on Majdan for all 3 months and i believe her (and my own eyes) much more than your opinion. I agree there were armed men - but they were not the only people there. Or you will argue again?

 

LOL. Go to the youtube, look at text and translate in google translate:

200,000 people sang the national anthem of Ukraine on New Year's night at the Independence Square

People gathering to sing the national anthem and this is how the government fall. It shows you are not from Russia or Ukraine and all your claims are just BS because you could not READ the text under it.

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Ron Paul- U.S. Politician, former Senator and President candidate.

Even American politicians are saying that you are full of it.
​

 

You are just a dumbass, my stupid vis-a-vis You said MOST PEOPLE ON MAJDAN WERE RECRUITED IN WESTERN CITIES OF UKRAINE FOR $30/ day and were brutal nationalists ready to punch someone's face.

I replied that 200 000 people standing on Majdan could not be physically recruited and paid daily. You are dumb moron if you believe they received money for protests against corruption.

The regime fell not in January, after they sang the anthem, but on the 20th of February, when 100 people were shot dead and Yanukovosh fled. I do not give a single f1ck in your opinion or on opinion of american senator on this events, really. American senator is a stupid piece of sh1t if he thinks people in another country cannot decide their own fate without approval of american senate.

"The Obama administration condemned a recent referendum in Crimea as “illegal” yet endorsed the overthrow of Ukraine’s then-president, Viktor Yanukovich, only weeks earlier. “For Washington, it was ‘illegal’ for Crimea to vote to secede from Ukraine, but it was not illegal for a mob in the street to overthrow an elected government in Kiev"

1) Can California or Texas have a referendum to secede from the USA and join Mexico? What would that piece of sh1t reaction be if a mob in the streets begins crushing official buildings and killing peaceful people? If unknown "green men" with clearly Mexican faces, speech and weaponry will block all police stations and US army bases? Most likely that dumbass will yell UNLEASH THE FURY ON THEM! KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

2) What if Obama stole $300 000 000 000 and everybody knew it? What if he ordered to slaughter the protesters? Wouldn't it be better for him to flee to Canada or Mexico afterwards? Would it still be a results of actions of MOB ON THE STREET? Or of President's crimes?

That politician is a Presidential candidate. yet Obama is a President. Which means that senator lost. Now he will blame every action of Obama. I do not really care on his opinion due to this simple fact.

I am from Ukraine, you can PM me and we will speak in Russian. Or in Ukrainian. This forum is about hosting, not about politics and I am really tired of your sh1t already. You are repeating lies (which is forbidden here) and protecting Russian nazists (which is prohibited too). You trust 1 American senator - I trust my eyes, my friends, official position of EU and US.

Don't try to become more ridiculous, you are already a clown. I will not reply here any more, you are not worthy my time.

 

Nice try, BUT:

 

LOL. You are really not that smart. Nobody said that there are not Neo-Nazi in Russia, France, England, Poland, Spain,... The difference is that the Russian government at least for now doesn´t support them while USA supports neo-Nazi and uses them as violent hooligans to change the government in Ukraine.

 

you could be right with "at least for now", but in real world - Putin finances these parties. He uses them for creating "mass civil unrest caused by Caucasian migrants" and recruiting more police force to strenghten his power.

Or you think they could travel 1500 km from Ufa and Perm' to march in Kharkiv under their banners on their own? Even Russians know this, so you are wrong again.

 

Because we have already seen that you are not even capable to read what is written on a youtube video, I am sure you are right about this and you have heard it personally from Putin since he always asks your opinion about these things.

 

No, I simply googled "список националистических партий РФ" and found this:
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwi....B8.D0.BA.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5

You can follow the links there to see this website for example : http://soratnik.com/

It is the party of Alexander Barkashov, you can find his video on Youtube with advice to separatist leaders "not to waste time holding referendum, simply mark 100% bulletins YES"

And you can find their flag on the main page. If it is not swastika, then you are a penguin.

You can follow other links from that site, including sponsors section. Some organisations may seem interesting to you.

BTW, Russian is my mother language, I clearly know what video with 200 000 people singing Ukrainian national anthem was about. It seems YOU cannot read.

You proved to be an idiot, further converstion seems useless.