Why won't Europe do anything about The Sudan?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by petertdavis, Dec 4, 2006.

  1. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #61
    Once the Germans surrendered, I believe Patton's suggestion should have been taken seriously.
     
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    #62
    No, I'm not losing the point. We should have remained allies till the end of the war; then we should have deeply considered if Russia really was worthy of being our ally anymore.
    True. Hitler should have listened to his Generals, and took Britain out before going against Russia.

    lmao...I knew you believed in the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Curious, since you say that had we not intervened, Britain would have been conquered....does that mean your thankful of the 'Pearl Harbor staged attack' ie do think it was ultimately necessary for Britain's survival?

    Or perhaps you have a different perspective...interested in knowing either way.

    I don't know about that. America was thrown into the position of world power due to the lack of infrastructure in any of it's competitive countries. I'd say the timing was perfect on our behalf.
     
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    #63
    That's right. Imagine everybody staying home, even Hitler...no wwII, no camps, no deads, just happiness...
    USA came into WWII for money. And frankly, even if it was a high price, it worth it. Same in Iraq, for money. They are more intelligent. That's why I love that country.
    Do you really believe there was a WMD in Iraq after 15 years of embargo where not even bread was there? Nothing else than common sense...
     
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    #64
    Certainly you're suffering from some serious mental defect?
     
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    #65
    It's interesting that you mention AK-47, because that weapon was designed by a russian. But it's not designers or the producers fault that a their product is missused. It's those who missuse them that holds the responsibillity.
     
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    lol Rick

    When I said "The war itself was actually started on a staged attack (another of many false flag operations through history, 9/11 being the biggest in recent history) and as per usual thousands of people died." I was of course referring to 1939, when the war started. The British were in the war for the whole duration, we didn't come on at half time buddy. :p

    And the false flag operation I was referring to was not Pearl Harbor, it was this one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

    There have been so many false flag operations throughout history (including Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and even the Russian apartment bombings by the looks of it) it's hard to keep track of them all mate. :)

    As for me possibly being thankful for the 'Pearl Harbor staged attack' I'm not too sure, but I have no doubt we would have lost without the US intervention. The war was a staged war and millions died, and that can only be a bad thing. War is never good, and to think I did 4 1/2 years in the British Army from 1986 to 1990 too lol!

    I was only young and I have forgiven myself for it now though. :)
     
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    I know, I know, I want peace everywhere, which is contrary to human gene.
     
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    #68
    Yes it would be extremely ignorant to suggest that militias wouldn’t exist without the USA because after all militias existed well before any European set foot on American soil.

    What is your opinion on why the U.S. gets more attention?
     
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  9. Rick_Michael

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    #69
    You had no chose.

    You seem like a go-against the grain guy, accept when it flows with your idealogy...just a perception, could be false.

    Say you were an American, durning war world II...and you believed at that point in time Pearl Harbor (and admistrative decesions) were/was a part of a conspiracy to push us in to war...would you have openly voiced your disagreements with the current adminstration of that time or would you see that the threat required action regardless? Or perhaps a third option or more?

    In other words, would you blame America or would you see that there are valid reasons to go to war?


    What exactly do you mean by this?

    War is never a good thing, but for the practical survival of a nation, sometimes death is required. It's a chose between two evils,...the one committed by oneself (by killing others) or the one committed on you by your enemy.

    England, Russia, and America took the first chose....France took the later.

    That sounds like a very anti-military comment. I believe there's honor in service, and in the military ethics. Now leadership is a different thing altogether, as I don't respect politicians all that much.

    A soldier will follow his order and will sacrifice his life for his unit or his country; while a politician will sacrifice his people for himself/herself. But I'll say that occasionally a politician is right with that sacrifice...in that it's for everyone, and that it does trump the self-interest of the times.

    I do believe Roosevelt prompt Japan into conflict with America. Did he know about Pearl Harbor....*shrug*. I'd say there's more chances of him knowing that than a 9/11 conspiracy, but I wouldn't flat-out say it. Lincoln knew what his actions would bring (there's no doubt about that), and yet he's folk-hero in America. I tend to view situation of life rather gray, and while I think all killing is bad, even in defense,...I think it's hopeless a matter of survival. Thus while I can look at Roosevelt with one eye of suspicion, I can see that his goals were absolutely necessary....

    And even more sadly, I think Americans and people world-wide don't understand death and killers, till they see them face to face. Americans thought they could live without that war, and let Germany stay on it's rampage. It's very shameful to me, to think that anyone couldn't see that as a threat, and not want to stamp it out before it's a huge fire. It shouldn't take an attack from Japan to learn that.

    Hindsights 20/20. *shrug*

    To that level and with a much higher prudence I agree with Bush's offensive policy. You have to infiltrate terrorist cells, and threatening state organizations...and snuff them out when appropriate. I agree he's not the best man for that method, but I believe it's the right method.
     
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    I don't go against the grain Rick, I go against lying corrupt bastards in charge of us ruining the world.

    Such is the way of the world that people like us have no choice in voicing anything, if some crazy bastard wants to force people into a war there is precious little we can do about it.

    I mean that the war was planned long before it actually happened because the Illuminati holds no allegiance towards countries, cultures etc.

    Indeed, them French fuckers cost us thousands of extra lives trying to help the ungrateful bastards and they still hate the Brits to this day. Disgraceful cunts. :(


    Oh BTW Rick on a minor note, have you considered Google Toolbar it has a great spell checker on it. :)
    When I check my spelling I get a load of yours flagged lol.
     
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  11. Rick_Michael

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    I sincerly believe Hitler was the geniune article, and that no-one pulled his strings. What exactly leads you to believe that the 'illuminati' planned this war, rather than one insane (and very pragmatic) guy was willing to do anything to control Europe?

    Maybe because you guys fought each other for a long-time before that...? Or maybe they're dicks!? *shrug* I didn't know they hated brits.

    Odd thing is, I rarely run into French people online. Tons of brits, australians, canadians, and even germans....not a lot of French or Italian people pop-up on 'English' boards. I guess I'm answering my own question of 'why?'.
     
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    Oh Hitler was an evil man Rick, I think that there is no doubt at all about that.

    As for the Illuminati well my thoughts are that there is a very small, very powerful group of people controlling the world, they control idiots like Bush and Blair and have one goal in mind, a one world government where we are all controlled (the book 1984 is a classic must read.) It's already going on right under our eyes but most just cannot see it, as long as we have our jobs, internet, cable TV, wives and 2.4 kids we're all OK lol.

    The French absolutely hate us Brits mate, with a passion. It's a well known fact. We hate them too.

    The reason you don't run into any French online is because they hate having to type, listen to or even speak English. If it wasn't for a few wars going against them French could well be the Lingua franca.
    But it's not and they cannot get over it. I have been to France 3 times and that is 3 times too many.

    And yes you got it right, they are dicks. ;)
     
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    I just don't think anything could have stopped him once he got in power--short of a bullet. I think the primary reason he got power was his rather uncanny ability to persuade the fringe or appeal to the disenfrancised...that and he'd kill anyone in his way.

    That's what I mean by being purely 'pragmatic'. With a geniune sense of morality, it would be impossible to do what he did; but since he was without it, only he truely fucked his possibilities of sucess ie his strategies in war were his downfall, not his capabilities. If he had not attacked Russia, you Brits would have been taken quickly. Then he could have done anything with incredible ease.

    The man was far too eager to conquer the world, and for some reason we're 'lucky' he wasn't that good of a tactician to understand what he did. I truely think if someone had gotten a level of reason in his crazy head, there's very little that could have stopped him.

    I really don't like naming a group or attributing one group to evil. Some use that name in reference to 'evil jews', and others use it general.

    I tend to believe the world is full of interest groups, and some are less moral than others. Some don't mind sacrificing people purely for their gain. Illuminati,.. that's just a name...that's any aspect any man could have.
     
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