God...real?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Finale, Dec 4, 2006.

  1. Bestmiler

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    #81
    In Genesis, he states he made the Earth and Man. If he made man, then it's not possible for them to evolve from something else (like an ape or w/e)
     
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    #82
    I was mocking religious argument...
     
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    #83
    This assumes that the method God used to shape Man from the clay is not evolution. Much of the bible is story and aligory, used to explain concepts that could not be understood. It was not 'water' that poured forth from Jesus's lung, but a water like substance that fills the lungs of a sufficating man, for example.
     
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    #84
    Ah. My misunderstanding. I thought that you were saying that there is a problem with faith, not that there is a problem with DEBATING over faith, which I agree there is.

    Though in addition to sharing information, human beings also share experience and care through emotional responses, which are not always dictated by logic. Faith, Love, Fear, and Hate dwell as much, if not more in the realm of emotion and illogic than in the realm of logic… however, one needs both logic, and emotion. I take a lesson from the “elves” on this, rather than from the “Vulcans” :p.
     
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    #85
    As opposed to the extremely convenient and pure cop-out explanation of the anthropic principle? I don't mind you doubting the explanation of a creator. I expect you to doubt it, but surely you can come up with something other than flippant sarcasm and a roll of the eyes to prove your point.
     
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    #86
    You know what!

    I don't know if god exists or not. But trust me, if he does exist, he is answerable to many of my questions.

    He won't be able to stand up to me. I haven't yet come to terms for the losses that I have born. I will make him so ashamed of himself, that his existence will be terminated forever. That's how much I hate him.

    If he exists, then I am sure heaven & hell exist too. I will tell him to search them for what I have lost and give it back to me. If he does not do that, I will make sure he goes to the hell that he created so lovingly.
     
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    #87
    If there is a God then the being is likely not all powerful, all knowing etc. God would likely merely be powerful and wise.

    An example of this would be the war in heaven where the devil is almost as powerful as god.. doesn't make much sense if god is all powerful/knowing. An infallible god is something people don't seem to like..
     
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    #88
    The devil is no match for the power of God. Considering that God created the angel who became the devil. God has power over everything.

    You need to read the Bible a bit more about this.

    Col :)
     
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    #89
    Colin has the strongest faith of any person I've ever known. I wish mine was as strong...
     
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    #90
    I am only strong in faith from my continual education and researching.

    "You will not know anything unless you strive to learn about it."

    That's my favourite wisdom quote.

    Col :)
     
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    #91
    Lets say the devil's power is equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 power points. If god is all powerful then he is infinitely more then the number above.

    A spark can create a fire so too can a small amount of energy create something much more powerful then the initial bit sent out. Stating one created the other doesn't make one more powerful. My point is if god is all powerful he could have just sent the devil to the end result of governing hell, this must have been his intention since he is all knowing and wanted this.
     
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    #92
    If there is no god and you believe in god you won't lose anything.
    if there is god and you don't believe in god, you'll lose everything.
     
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    #93
    What if there is a god that has no relation to any of the organised religions?

    Who loses then?
     
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    And this be the worst reason to believe in God. Why let fear control you?
     
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    #95
    Does it really matter? Those who believe in God, do so absolutely...well, most of the time. Those who don't, well...they're pretty sure of their beliefs as well. And of course, there are those who cross over from one side to the other usually when there's a trigger to make them doubt what they believe in. Unfortunately, most of us want to 'convert' the rest of the world to our way of thinking (aahhhh...our egos!!:) ). If we say 'To each his own', God will be very real to those who want him to be and so not there to those who don't. I think we need to redefine our concept of reality and accept the fact that one man's reality need not necessarily be another's. And for the ones who seek or yearn for change, let the journey be the discovery - not right, not wrong...just what's a fit for you and what you need.

    :D Considering none of us was there billions of years ago,we're never likely to know, right?
     
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    #96
    Allegedly.....but in actual fact though, would it seem like anyone or anything has power of this earth and all that resides on it, or would it seem the earth is in anarchy...
     
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    #97
    True the earth is in disorder. Well, at least the human race is anyway. The earth just keeps on spinning regardless of what we do. I could not say that any human has power over the earth. Any thing? That would make me think of God.

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    Col :)
     
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    This is another massive problem, the chronological age of this earth according to religion ( all religion ) is total nonsense, there's no way of gettin out of it, the same technology that dates this earth is the same technology that sends men to thier death in the USA, and prison in every other country in the world, it can be argued that these distinctions are not entirely accurate and you would be right, but not the point that this earth was created 10,000 years ( or less ) ago and infact it was created 10 BILLION years ago.

    There's just no way, not with all the faith that exists in this world, that you could accept that you are a descendent of something that was made from no more than dirt a few thousand years ago, and still have a decent enough grasp on reality to know what you're doing.
     
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    #99
    Good point on how long the earth has been here. There's no way of recording that anyway. It just makes sense that it has been around for millions or billions of years. However, the Bible's account also makes sense that man was created from the earth's elements (thinking about what we are made up of) about 6,000 years ago. The chronology in the Bible is the most accurate of all chronological timelines.

    Col :)
     
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    #100
    Thanks :)

    So, where can you see that power at work then ? overcrowded prisons ? homeless poeple shelters ? third world countries where kids are dying of a cold ? womens shelters ?

    I could go on, but what's the point you'll come up with some weak ass argument that relies entriely on your "faith" with a total disregard for what is happening around you.

    As for you comment about the earth keeps on spinning, are you sure about that ? I dunno what it could be that's clouding your judgement on this one, but it's clear to anyone that we do infact have a devestating affect on this earth and it will not last forever, by which time the human race will be a space fairing species, that is if god allows it...
     
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