A Very Sincere Message To All Who Want To Run For A President Of The Usa.

GTech: Yes, very much. If he said that he is an American, and he is not, that is definitely a mark against his credibility, and would definitely decrease his credibility in my eyes. Do you have any evidence that he is not an American?

 

Josh, just waiting for the right opportunity. Patience

 

Why can't international posters comment on American politics? They have an external view, and why would they be so horribly biased against Bush for no reason?

 

So in other words you believe what your government feeds you? In other words you are a puppet with a false belief in international affairs?

Thank you for pointing out my mistake. It makes your debating very mature but dont get me started with your use of the word 'because' at a start of a sentence.

Actually, I loved your answer as it proves on how naive people actually are when it comes to believing in politicians.

Fair enough but what about every other country that is going through persecution and wants peace?

Why suddenly Iraq when the true agenda was going after Bin Laden? I know that has been asked many times before but it is a question that most non political puppets ask and have still yet to get a straight answer that makes sense.

So their Agenda wasn’t the oil or the profit from the “re-construction” contracts that went mainly to U.S. companies?

 

How can anyone support our troups and be pro-American at the same time? I feel sorry for these young men who got suckered into military service, perhaps they needed the money or got brainwashed by corporate media, or whatever. But support them? One day the President will point finger at you or me and tell them, he is domestic terrorist, get him. And they will. There is nothing pro-American about this war, it's the kind of a war the founding fathers warned us about.

 

Austars, I have no problem with international posters posting on this definitely international issue what so ever. The war in Iraq was a multi-national effort, and it has affected the international community broadly. I very much support the right of anyone who wishes to discuss this issue. I simply take issue with someone saying or implying that they are one nationality when they, in fact, are not.

It may be that I inferred this rather than ST12 implying it, but when ST12 said, in an excerpt from a larger post about George Walker Bush:

It at least seemed to me that he was claiming to be under George Walker Bush’s legal governance, and thus an American.

 

Perhaps he meant human beings in general.

 

As opposed to conspiracy theories? Yes, you could say that, if you want.

I won't mind if you do. My point wasn't that there was a grammatical error, but that you only asked one question.

Not necessarily. But you are welcome to make the judgement on the whole, if it pleases you.

What about them? Let's suppose it was another country. Are you suggesting you'd be any happier? If not, why raise it as an issue? Some people will complain, no matter what. Is that a fair statement?

Two separate issues. The US was never restricted to going after only one enemy. saddam had the choice to make. He could have cooperated and done what was required by him of the UN, but he chose not to. Now here's a hypothetical for you...do you think if we could go back in time and saddam knew then, how things would turn out, that he would have cooperated with inspectors and the UN? My bet is, he would.

You tell me. What US oil company is taking oil out of Iraq? Where is the oil? As for as the reconstruction projects, any number of our allies have bid on such. Some where precluded and for good reason. They chose corruption over what was right. saddam bought out numerous countries, UN votes and influential people with oil vouchers. That's more than been proved. France, Russia, Germany and China stood to lose the most in the oil-for-food project. In other words, they were willing to turn a blind eye for the billions they received in that project.

Let me ask you, in another way, what you are asking me. If you had a few good friends, really good friends and you went to take on a bully in a fight. Your friends abandoned you. You later find out those friends were working for the bully and receiving tons of money. You take the bully without them, then start your own company. Are you going to hire those guys that turned their backs on you? It may be a simplistic analogy, but it is in essence what happened.

The war was not supported by some of our allies, not because of moral issues, but because they were bought out. We didn't know it at the time, but it was eventually exposed.

 

It's funny how everyone was in support of the war when we invaded, but mysteriouly, back away when things didn't go their way.

Yup, I hear the naysayers now, coming out of the woodwork to say they wern't in support of the war. Wasn't Bush's approval rating at invasion time 70-80%, then now it's 40% (on a good day!).

 

So you completely believe absolutely everything your (sorry, 'our') government tells you, specifically the Bush administration? And also, 'would he be any happier if we'd attacked another country with problems like Iraq'? Well, why don't we, why did we choose Iraq? And didn't Bush invade Iraq against the advice of the UN? And as for countries being bought out, do you have any truth from unbiased sources? Or you're just eating everything you're fed?

 

I'll give you this much, at least you are honest that you don't support America or the troops. Most try to hide behind it. Their positions say one thing, but when confronted, are not man enough to stand up and admit it.

Don't feel sorry for the troops. I can assure you they don't want your kind of sympathy/support. Continue to despise them, like so many here do, but are not man enough to admit.

 

Yes, thank you, people are finally coming to their senses

 

Why would people have a reason to despise the troops? Stop putting words into peoples mouths, please.

 

I did not rule out that possibility, and yes, he may have. That is why I was saying that IF he claimed to be an american and was not, I would take exception. The impresion I got as still that ST was claiming to be an American, but I'm willing to admit that I can be wrong.

 

Have you ever considered reading before posting? It might save you embarassment. Then again, it might not.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1883053&postcount=45

 

Let us remember that the US armed forces is made up of America citizens who are not readily going to bear arms against their own family/people.The vast majority of them are moderate in their beliefs, religious and otherwise.

The factions in Iraq have been fighting each other for control for thousands of years. And a large part of the violence there is between those same opposing factions.

Though I opposed the war initially and believe it was initiated for the wrong reasons and perpetuated by disinformation ( or maybe I should say misinformation ), I feel it would be a mistake to desert Iraq now when the US and allies are pretty much the only somewhat effective Police force there. To leave would condemn the innocent people of Iraq to chaos.( Its chaos already but it can get a lot worse) I believe this is not a war against Iraq or the Iraqi people but against the the factions within their country that would seek to gain control and oppress them. We should have never went to begin with but to leave now would be a greater wrong than that which has already been committed. The majority of America people have realized this and recent electorial developments have shown this.

The wonderful thing about democracy is that peaceful revolution, free speech and change is built in to the system already. And the effects of that are being seen now. Its much more than unfortunate that "we the people" did not see the inconsistancies earlier, but serious change is at hand. Fortunately here it will be peaceful because democracy embraces and facilitates changes in leadership when the truth becomes known.

 

I met tons of them. Most of them are the 'fuck you whitey [types]....this is my country.' Other's hide under the guise of practical friendliness, but have ideals that rape reputable values....but then again, SF isn't the rest of America.

The only reason why they exist here is because over-tolerant behaviour is acceptable (even for radicalism), as long is it's not too much to the right.

But to be fair, there are people on the right that need to be watched as well. I think they do more of a disservice to 'right-values' than anyone could.

 

I was watching two of the members of the Iraq survey have a conversation on this issue. They said that we haven't exhausted our options, and that the general consesus among the group was this could go regional if we immediately left. I agree that in looking back we see errors ( in perhaps the whole thing), but I think one of the Iraq survey advisor was correct in saying something similiar to this...'we found we needed to look forward (rather than backwards) and produce a way to move forward.'

 

Looks like Gtech is digging a hole for himself in this thread.

Damn them newbies with less posts than him putting him in his place.

I can't wait until the dodgy Democrats get in in 2008, it's going to be lots of fun.

 

You voted for him...twice.