You haven't really said anything to back up what you are saying. I guess you just have faith? Maybe this thread should be moved to the politics & religion forum . You haven't said one single thing to back this up. Please tell me one other thing that goes into googles pagerank measure? Its just a measure of backlinks. They keep other things secret. No, it doesn't. Backlinks become more powerful with age, hence old domains benefit from higher PR due to BACKLINKS. There are many other factors that google uses to measure the quality of backlinks, but its all still backlinks. Maybe you misunderstood me and thought I meant just the number of backlinks, I mean everything else that is related to backlinks. Qualative and quantative. Go ahead tell me more. You haven't told me about these other none-backlink based time tested experiance factors? Hey, apologies if I sound rude in anyway. No offence intended, we are just 2 guys having a talk.
Mistermix backlinks to count to a degree, jesus they simply are not the same thing! backlinks do NOT = pagerank! Let me ask you this, how long have you been in this game? From the sound of things you appear to be very new.. backlinks in themselves do not = pagerank. There is more to pagerank than simply back links. But yeah I should make a multiple page post on all of my experience, my tips and tricks. Or I could be like you and post one phrase that trully doesn't back up anything. Go on believing what you want, I'll keep the extra traffic to myself. One last thing, then how come site a of mine with more backlinks and more relevant backlinks on the same subject as site b, both about the same age has a lower page rank that site b. If what you said was true than site b should outrank site a. I have MANY instances of this. Back links do of course help page rank, there however is more to the story to it than that. If you believe they are the same, hey I've got a bridge to sell you..
I'm not intimidated by your age/experiance/rep. Nice way to back out of a discussion. You know the answers, but its a secret. Great. The theoretical example you gave is cute. Google decides which links it thinks are more relevant, not us webmasters. Write an ebook about the secrets of pagerank, my $24.99 is waiting.
So in other words you have nothing more than one phrase? I'm not backing out in the least. Nice try, one little block of text So in other words you have no experience, no first hand experience, no nothing. LOL Do you still think backlinks = pagerank, NOTHING else matters? So pr 5 has more backlinks than pr4 sites because afterall they are the same?
Page rank is all about backlinks, not just the number of baclinks but every other measure of backlink quality too. << this is what I am saying. I'm not relying on any block of text. This is what I beleive, this is what google says and this is what I have learned from other webmasters. You seem to think otherwise but cant actually back it up because its a 'secret'. You are the one being the heretic, show me the money? How deep are you going to dig this hole?
You have not backed up anything yourself, a simple block of text. Which anyone who knows anything at all about google, they do not give you the 100% full story LOL to back it up I'd have to pull stats from every single one of my domains, show back links, age of sites, current and previous PR, a bit more than I'm willing or going to do. If as a noobie you wish to believe what you're spouting go for it. Page rank is NOT all about backlinks. How have I had pr5 sites with barely any backlinks? There is such a thing as internal guages in google that can tweak your sites you know. Filtering spam out, putting trusted sites above others even without massive backlinks. If you honestly think backlinks control all then you are simply a fool. Be a webmaster for more than a few months, come back and then maybe we can talk. BTW your own phrase you quoted Tells it all, a trusted high quality site does NOT need huge amounts of backlinks to have a high pr! That is or should be common knowledge to anyone who has been in this game for awhile, something you obviously have no clue about!
All of the things you have mentioned are all related to BACKLINKS. Internal links, trusted high quality sites get lots of backlinks - hence high PR. So you are saying PR is influenced by how trusted your site is? And how does google measure trust? Backlinks archetecture. Call me a noob if you like. Whats your point? You are b*llshitting. So you cant tell me the other things that affect PR because its a secret? Takes too long to type? Every single thing you could possible say about pagerank is a derivative of BACKLINKS. Please give me a link to a thread you or some other 'experienced' webmaster has written about pagerank. Just back up what you are claiming.
mistermix you honestly think a trusted site by google is only to do with backlinks, that is just one of a few things that has nothing, nothing at all to do about back links in all cases. You honestly believe that is googles only meausure of a trusted site, backlinks? You trully have a one track mind, if you set yourself into this you're bound to be a failure. I'm bullshitting, I think not! All you yap about is back links back links back links. Although they are important, they are not the end all! Open up your mind man, I've never met someone with back links so far up their ass that they would actually believe back links control every aspect of google. You obviously do. Pretty sad if you ask me. I've been self employed online for 10+ years thanks to free traffic from google, I'll give you a year or 2 tops yet if you're even self employed 100% yet.
Yeah ok personal attacks, 10 years blah blah. Trying to steer the conversation off topic. Post me a link to what you are talking about. Page rank is about backlinks. You are saying there are other factors, tell me what they are or post a link to what you say all good webmasters know. Show me or shut up? I dont care who you are, show me, teach me.
Sounds like you guys are stating something similar.. its not the number of backlinks that determine PR but the quality of the backlinks as well.
Backlinks and all things that measure the quantity, type, quality ect. But all ultimatly derived from or directly related to backlink archetecture. He says I'm a noob so I dont know anything, but then says the things are a secret. Normally people just post a link or tell u straight.
Basically having a good page rank can't hurt you. It is one indicator that you are doing things well. But, the traffic you are getting isn't going to increase when your pr updates. The traffic is the result of the things you did to get a good pr, not because of it.
mistermix when you say pr is backlinks as you are then how could 'directories' take a pr hit as you are stating in a different thread, ghee there must be something more to it than 'backlinks'. You've put nothing up other than back links, back links, back links. How about duplicate content, bad neighbors hoods 'not linking' but the site itself, there are many things that are not back links that can determine or at least slightly influence PR including the type of site. But yeah it's just back links
Hmm if only you had a point. Talk facts please, I left school along time ago. I'll respond directly to everything you have come up with, its clear you are trying harder now : 'bad neighbourhoods not linking the site' - this is part of backlinks, obviously. 'duplicate content' - I disagree. I beleive duplicate content just puts pages in supplemental results. I have many pages with duplicate content that have the same PR as pages with unique content, on the same site (in my sig). Why do you think duplicate content is linked with PR? Why do you sound so smug. Why dont you post a thread about 'factors that influence google PR apart from backlinks'? Have you got the guts? Its funny how you seem to be the only person saying this??
mistermix to be truthful I'm finding you to be a joke. No seo expert or webmaster with any experience at all would claim backlinks is the ONLY determining factor on PR. There are many reasons that can influence results and PR, I'm not trying hard at all as there truthfully is no reason to. Bad neighborhoods is NOT backlinks, are you that dense!? I stated and I quote not linking the site' the site itself being a bad neighborhood NOT bad neighborhoods linking to itself! Yes duplicate content can have just as good pr it can however influence it slightly! How many sites do you have might I ask? Have you ever tested these theories of yours that it's just back links nothing else? Do you have any older sites at all that google gives power to, regaurdless of backlinks in as such PR as well? You say directories are taking a hit for PR well if it's all about backlinks what are you saying? All directories lost backlinks? ghee.. Go back to school, it's obvious you need it. I'm done with you, you simply are a joke to think back links are the ONLY thing at all, nothing else can or will determine PR. It very well could be the core of PR, 99% even but it is not EVERYTHING!
Guess how google determines bad neighbourhoods? Guess. Huh I'm done with you because you debate like a child. I'll start a thread in a few days, you can share your secrets. All you had to say is PR is about duplicate content, backlinks, bad neighbourhoods instead of acting up like a spoilt child.
GRIM - Unless you are talking about "rankings", and not Google PageRank, then actually, you are wrong. It's not a secret, the formula has been copyrighted and published, and diagnosed many many times, and it does have to do with how many links you have pointing to a page, and how many links those pages linking to you have pointing to them, and so on. I don't have any of the links to the original white paper, the patent, or the paper that either Sergy or Brin wrote (I forget), but here is a link explaining the actual formula: http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html PR from a given page can be blocked, and possibly throttled, from passing on to other pages, but it still comes down to links. Period. Now, the actual PageRank of a site is by no way shape or form the only thing that goes into ranking a page, that's obvious, and understanding the relationship between a page's PageRank and how it got it, and how those factors influence rankings for a given keyword set, is fairly complex. It can be understood tho. The only way that PR is affected by anything other than links is manual banning, but that is an all or nothing deal (has PR, or doesn't). -Michael
pr has very little to do with the Google Algorithm PR used to be very important, but now it is more for showing off You should consentrate on PR if you are selling links though