Feedback How do I Report a Fraud DP Member, Paypal Scam at DP?

Dear DP Members,

I am sorry and my apologizes to everyone, if I am posting this in the wrong section.

I have been scammed $850 from this person https://forums.digitalpoint.com/members/cbusiness.546558/

I purchased a website which he listed over here https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/custom-pr2-news-website-for-sale-gnapproved-1373-earned-since-august-2013.2692501/

I generally pay through Escrow whenever involved in a website or domain deal, however this person said he only accepts Paypal. As his account seem to be reputed, I made the payment.

But after I made the Paypal payment, I realized I got scammed. Now he don't respond to emails, Skype or anything.

I have raised a Paypal dispute and also reported to Cyber crime officials regarding this person and the investigation is still on.

However I tried to give him negative itrader, but it seems that feature no longer exists. Is there anyway I can report this fraud to DP admin so that appropriate action can be taken?

Banning him is not going to solve my problem, but at least some other members will not get scammed by him.

I left a visitor message on his profile that he scammed me but he deleted it.

His emails are - and ymail.com
or yahoo.com

His Skype is - Dogoodbiz

If the admins needs any proof or evidence, then I am ready to share with them.

Thanks,

 

I am totally backing you up and I'm here to help you somehow.

Something needs to be done on DP about scams.

 

Thank you Luka for the support. Yes such scams not just on DP but at many other forums makes us feel very difficult to do easy business. And when someone with so many posts at DP commits such outrageous scams then who else can be believed?

To tell you more, just for everyone's knowledge purpose, when the Paypal people called him whether he has transferred the website to me or not, he said he did and when they asked for any possible evidence, he tried to transfer animalsdaily.com a useless domain to my godaddy account at around 4am my time in the morning. Fortunately I was awake and rejected the domain approval. He could have claimed Paypal that I purchased something else from him.

Beware guys, never pay anyone through Paypal or Wire Transfer unless you know them very well. I am not just talking about DP but also all the other market places. Unless you want to lose your peace of mind. I just hope no one else will be scammed by him.

 

There will always be bad people. We just need to minimize our touch with them.

So yes, that's a great tip. When you think you got scammed you should cancel all transactions with the scam guy? I mean the ones you did not made any settlements about.

I got to defer from you here, I'm using Paypal for 1-2 years now for online transaction and overall business and since then I had 0 scams. I had 1 but that wasn't a scam after all.

 

Luka,

I am not saying you should not at all use Paypal. Definitely Paypal is the easiest option for services. However for major buying and selling, I think there are better options. But yes, if you have done business with the same person in the past and you trust him then you can go ahead and pay through Paypal. Unless you're not 100% sure. To tell you, this is the first scam I faced and I can't describe how much embarrassed I am currently. After spending more than half a dozen years online, finally I have been fooled. I am left with no option but to agree that I was fooled. It hurts ego badly. Unless this person refunds back the money, I am going to prosecute and sue him in the court of law to make sure that he will learn his lesson and I might regain my self-respect back.

 

I agree with you in every point.
Make a folder called 'evidence' or something and gather up all documents about this act. Him as a person, you as a person, screenshots, unique trans id, etc etc... It will be easier to react.
Hope I helped.... and good luck dear sir!

 

Shawn,

If you want, I can submit one of the pieces of evidence which I am currently sharing with the cyber crime department to your email. The person contacted me and asked me to look at the listing which is at digitalpoint. He never asked me to bid, hence I didn't bid.

That being said, I have lot of other works to do instead of making fake allegations at someone.

I was looking to clear the insects and dirts in short, the scammers who stole money from digitalpoint to make sure that no other person will suffer like I had suffered. However, if you wish to wait until he scams other members, then that's your choice.

 

Shawn, I hear you and understand your point. But I would like to mention that he has showed me the listing at DP and based on that listing I made the payment. If he would have asked me to bid then I would have definitely bid. Further more I can also show you the chat history where I asked him to delete that thread after the sale and he claimed he will do it in couple of hours. He also mentioned their is a process by which it can be taken down by paying $10 $20 dollars to delete the thread.

I understand that have sympathy towards me, but you're not willing to take on forum reputation and I would have done the same thing if I was at your position. But the truth is I am scammed because I felt this person is reputed based on his post count. Otherwise I was involved in many deals over the past few years and every time I paid through escrow. The only fact which made me paid through Paypal is his post count which made me feel he is a reputed person.

That being said, if a person is proved scammer even on facebook or other forums, would you have allowed him to do deals at DP unless he comes out clean or gets punished for what he has committed?

 

High post count or lots of likes etc. is not a good indicator or whether a member is ethical or not.

 

OP: Keep on at Paypal, don't let them fob you off. If you put enough pressure on them they will do something. Also, paypal is nothing more than a payment middle man, go to your card issuer who has a lot more authority and weight than paypal. If your card issuer takes your side then it eliminates paypal from the equation as your card issuer has final say over paypal.

DP: Hypothetically - if the OP was scammed by this user (which im not saying they were or were not), wouldnt (shouldnt?) there be a fraction of responsibility that falls with the site admin considering the scam was advertised/initiated here, regardless of where the deal was finalised?

 

There are lots of sales thread in this forum and so many people could say it was their sales thread.
Problem: People could claim any sales thread in this forum as their.
Note: Never ever do transaction outside of this forum.
There is big reason why Shawn said 'the transaction didn't happen in this site'.
Staff would be able to help you with their best effort if you did the transaction in this forum.
The staff already did good job. The first thing to do is Asking whether the transaction was being done in this forum or not and the next thing would be checking if it is Sales owner whom 'doing the transaction' with you or somebody else.

What you have to do is notify staff (which you have done) and tell them the complete story.

In my opinion, Post counts alone is not good enough to justify person. In my opinion, huge posts counts doesn't mean a member is credible enough. There are lots of peoples whom posting useless crap just to inflate their post counts. Whenever I saw member with only lots of post counts, I would think the member is not credible enough.

Here are simple story based on what I read:

1. Someone said he/she had sales thread in this forum.
2. He/she message you and you agree to do business (Outside of this forum).
3. He agree to sell the site for $800. He didn't allow you to bid in this board.
4. You send payment via Paypal. The reason you agree to pay via PayPal are:
   - He/She asked you to use PayPal.
   - You think him/her as credible member by looking at the post count.
5. You asked him/her to close the listing. He/She said the sales thread would be closed in few hours. He/She then said there is fee ($10/$20) to close the thread.
6. He didn't sent the sites after few hours/day and you decide to dispute the transaction.
7. He tries to sent you another site (AnimalsDaily.com) and you reject it because you didn't buy that site. Seller may tried to make PayPal believe the transaction has been done by sending that site.
8. You write a scam warning in this forum.

Analysis:

1. Other people could claim if they own sales thread in this forum. You have to give some proofs if it is sales owner whom offering you the site. My instinct said it is sales owner whom offering you the site (but I don't trust too much on instinct).
2. You should only doing business via the system. The staff would not be able to find out about the transaction if you didn't use the system. The logic is: without any information if the transaction actually done, there is nothing they can do to help you (in conjunction with transaction).
3. It sound fishy.
4. Don't look at post count to justify people in this board. In my opinion, Less posts is better as long as there are lots of great achievement. For credibility, looks at how the member present himself/herself in this forum. If he/she deserve to get respect, it already has some credibility point. When it come to business, credibility alone is not enough.
5. Sound fishy.
6. I have nothing to say about this.
7. Same as above.
8. You already did good thing by doing this.

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Initiated was probably a wrong choice of words, but advertised definitely. However like you have said it would be almost impossible for DP staff to decide who was right and who was wrong based on little to no information. And even then it's not going to get anyone's money back.

A hard lesson learnt by the OP, hopefully you will have good luck with Paypal or your bank.

 

Dear Members, and the DP, Thank you for your comments.

However to clear something, I am not begging for help here, neither I am expecting DP to help me. I have posted here so that other members will remain protected from such cockroaches. If the DP is not willing to ban him then that's not my problem because I am never going to deal with him again, however there is a possibility that other members may deal with him.

To clear to the statements being made by some guys that he could be the other person, not the real owner of the website I would like to mention that after working for years, I am at least blessed to do the due diligence whether I am doing business with the real owner or not.

Hence I ASKED HIM TO ADD ME TO ANALYTICS, WEBMASTER TOOLS to which he did.

THEN I ASKED HIM TO MAKE A POST OF MY CHOICE to which he did

Although I agree that eventually I was fooled by this scammer, I am not such a big fool to pay him before doing my due diligence. Oh yep, I also asked him to send more revenue proof other than the proof he attached at the DP, to which he added additional proof.

Now, yet again if any member would like to defend him, then that's your wish. The scammer is not even bothering to respond to this thread. Let him respond so that I can gather more evidence against him.Check the attached image which he mentioned in my email during my questions put towards him for due diligence.

 

Clearly describe the situation.

I think OP should struggle to get the money back by contacting PayPal.
OP may wish to proof if it is same seller whom doing the scam. I think this forum has zero tolerance for scammer. Once OP able to proof it, I predict there would be 'Punishment' for the one whom doing 'bad things'.

 

And to those who are still defending him, I won't say much, but I will surely respond to this thread again the day when I make sure that he gets prosecuted and sued in the Court of Cyber law. Will keep you guys updated regarding the to prove that I knew what I was saying here.

And I just saw someone Arick commented that I should prove it. Oh c'mmon, do you really think I don't have any other work but to prove you guys so that he gets banned. Seriously I don't even care whether he remains live on this account. Even if he gets banned he can start a new account within minutes like we all know. I would like to mention again, I am not doing this to ban him. I am doing this to protect other potential innocent members.