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Same sex Marriage

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Emma Pollard, Feb 22, 2013.

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  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #261
    Unquestionably, or at least some concubines.

    At one point in my earlier life, I had actually mapped this out. One can actually lease an island in the South China sea for almost nothing, only a short boat ride from the shores of Thailand, Malayasia, and other wonderful places that still hang onto the antiquated practices of polygamy and bride prices.

    Assuming a bride price of ~USD2k per bride, one could reasonably wed 400 women for the bargain price of $800k. Assuming a heavy diet of oysters, one could reasonably keep all those women pregnant year round for two or three years, yielding thousands of offspring, to maintain help maintain the island paradise with their mothers.

    Considering that any child born to a US citizen is automatically a US citizen, regardless of where the child is born, one could begin importing the offspring, 10 at a time, to a nice liberal state like California, collecting the refundable tax credit and associated welfare money for each child. Over a few years, the mothers(newly divorced, polygamy is illegal in the states) too would receive automatic visas based on their first person relationship to a US citizen (their child).

    Calculating the math out over a thousand children, the State would quite literally be paying the father of such a tribe millions of dollars per year, all in support of his lifelong dream of having a bloodline that could never be wiped from the earth.

    Time to start shopping for a compound.
     
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  2. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #262
    LOL

    and with that story...its about time you changed your name to Anthony Wiener....or any Wiener name you like. Last I saw with regard to NYC politics Anthony Wiener is wilting, going soft, turning flaccid,

    ...you get the picture.

    time you get your wiener over to the south seas.
     
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  3. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #263
    It's a hard fact that in a world of Viagra/Cialis, you're comment is illogical.
     
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  4. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    True, very true...

    Amen, and Amen!
     
    Corwin, Aug 18, 2013 IP
  5. Helge Sverre

    Helge Sverre Prominent Member Affiliate Manager

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    #265
    Of course it should be legal, Why should it not?
     
    Helge Sverre, Aug 20, 2013 IP
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    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #266
    Honestly, it shouldn't even BE a legal issue, at least here in the Colonies... Why?

    Because marriage is a religious union -- Silly me thought we had separation of church and state... It is NONE of the governments damned business. It's that simple. My position is that Marriage -- Straight or Gay -- should be no business of the government in the first place. That they give 'advantages' to married couples is unfair to single people, and the antithesis of the values on which this country was founded.

    to those of you who think it should be illegal -- my question is: "What are you, gay?" -- if your answer is no, then have a double helping of sierra tango foxtrot uniform. I have about as much interest in the opinion of a straight person's opinion of gay marriage as I do a 40 year old married woman's opinion of abortion.

    I don't actually approve of it -- in fact I think it's disgusting (between guys... hot as hell with girls though)... but really it's none of my damned business EITHER.

    Generally speaking the world would be a better place if up-tight extremist religious nutjobs would mind their own business a bit more! This is just another of those hate-mongering topics that prove EXACTLY what complete bullshit organized religions and so called morality is. Reminds me of the whackjob I ran into downtown holding up the sign "Jesus hates queers" -- Sure dipshit, Jesus was all about the hate!

    Hate mongering, racial and religious intolerance, sexism, and a moral compass that is anything but moral -- or as it's been called for around two-thousand years: good Christian values. The ****ed up part being most "people of faith" think this doesn't apply to them -- well, it does regardless of what faith. They are completely blind to it thanks to years of brainwashing through ritualistic indoctrination, made up fairy tales, and exploitation of FUD.

    The oldest kind of emotion is fear... the oldest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -- H.P. Lovecraft.

    ... which is why it is so simple for wolves to exploit the sheep to their own end. Gays are "different" from "us" -- the classic "us and them" exploitation of the most basic human emotion, to override all logic, reason and compassion. Same thing as racism, sexism, nationalism, and every other form of unfair, unsupported, unreasonable and 100% grade A farm fresh manure used to brainwash the masses into inhumane treatment of it's fellow man. Much like other 'polarizing' issues it encourages immoral thoughts and actions, is the exact opposite of compassion, then has the unmitigated gall to call it morality, typically under the banner of one who preached compassion, tolerance, and acceptance.
     
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  7. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #267
    Obviously you haven't been following this thread, and don't understand the argument and the issues.

    Or do you not believe in separation of Church and State?
     
    Corwin, Aug 24, 2013 IP
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    solid7 Well-Known Member

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    I am totally against government control over ANY kind of marriage. It has no place. And since governement can't please everyone with the definition of marriage, why should they try to please anybody?

    Take away government sanctioned marriage, and a whole myriad of things all of a sudden become easier. Taxation issues, discrimination issues, healthcare issues... In turn, court systems become less congested on both ends - and let's not forget to mention that nobody will need to spend legislative resources trying to actually DEFINE what a marriage is!!!

    This issue is a pain in the ass!
     
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    solid7 Well-Known Member

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    Just like posting offbeat comments on an internet forum is not a solution for the same, once you've reached the first level of "maturity".
     
    solid7, Sep 12, 2013 IP
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Are you upset because you thought owning guns is a solution to small pen*s size? ;):)
     
    gworld, Sep 12, 2013 IP
  11. solid7

    solid7 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not upset about anything. There are worse things in life than either owning guns, or having small penises. (however of each you own is none of my concern)

    Same sex marriage. That's what it says at the top of my page.
     
    solid7, Sep 12, 2013 IP
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    #272
    When desperation to prove a point, starts setting in:

     
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  13. Emma Pollard

    Emma Pollard Active Member

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    How does marriage protect children?? You seem to be of the opinion that a hetrosexual couple can raise kids in a stable family environment, and they raise them to be well established hetrosexual adults whereas a homosexual couple could not. I am assuming that this opinion based on cold hard facts but there is also another side to this.

    How does the divorce rate amongst hetrosexual couples provide an environment in which to protect children? Maybe divorce should be banned once a couple have children? This way all children would be raised in a loving stable family (which have obvious problems hence the need for divorce). It is not difficult for anyone to walk away from their resposibilities as a parent, an absent parent may have to pay maintenance but money doesn't make a perfect parent.

    I find your point about the famiy environment influencing the sexuality of a person quite amusing. Tell me then how a group of three or four siblings can result in one homosexual?

    With respect to the point about being raised by a hetrosexual couple, surely it is more important to be raised by a loving family in a well balanced way than to be raised by a hetrosexual coupe who may have issues. A well balanced adult is not necesarily raised by a hetrosexual couple. I am sure that most if not all serious crimes are carried out by people raised in a 'normal' hetrosexual family environment.

    And let's not forget the fact that hetrosexual couple give birth to and raise gay kids!!

    At the end of the day, marriage has alredy lost a lot of it's importance and significance due to the divorce rate, isn't it time to give a new meaning to marriage and make it about two people who love each other and choose to spend their life together?
     
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    Emma Pollard Active Member

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    Isn't this the point? You don't catch homosexuality so how does the family composition cause a problem to a child? IMO gay parents are MORE likely to raised balanced kids without any homophobic tendencies, surely gay parents would be teaching their child tollerance and diversity from a young age more so than straight parent?

    With regards to a childs needs for a mother and father figure, there are many single parent families in the world who do a good job of raising their kids. Being a single parent is not always a choice and if it is then itis a tough one to make. Are we suggesting that all singe mothers should abort their unborn child? That could be an answer, protect the child by not giving it the opportunity to fail in the first place. But what about the children of those who suddenly find themselves alone? Should their parents be forced to stay together despite domestic violence or abuse? Surley a child experiencing that regularly as they grow up doesn't give the impression that it is normal?
    And then you have the parents who have always known they were gay, but got married and had kids because society dictated that it was expected and 'normal'. What happens to their kids when they decide they can no longer live a lie, have an affair and then leave their husband/wife for their same sex partner? Should those children be eliminated instead of being raised by a loving family? or do we whisk them away to be 'cared for' by the state because it is obviously better to have a higher criminal population than it is to have people raised by a loving gay couple.

    It doesn't matter about the dynamics of a family environment as much as it does about the level of care and affection within that family. The opinion seems to be that all gay couples who get married will want to have children, this is not the case. For most gay couples it is about equality and having their relationship recognised on the same level as any other hetrosexual married couple.
     
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    A very homophobic view I think. :mad:
     
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    Emma Pollard Active Member

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    I have a few questions for you...
    If homosexuality is unnatural, who is teaching our children to be this way? Is it a Government or Religious conspiracy?
    What worldwide problems will homosexuality cause?
    If gay marriage is legalised will you them become homosexual? I know I wont, just because people can doesn't mean they will. Personally I like to have sex with a man (I am female).
    In a strange kind of way, homosexuality does benefit mankind by reducing the childbirth rate in an already over populated planet.
     
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    I donĀ“t know about mankind but it is beneficial for men. More homosexual men, less competition for available females. ;):)
     
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    Wow, so you think it's natural and that is how we were designed?
     
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    Are you sugesting that it is a choice? Are you honestly telling me that people suddenly wake up one morning and decide they are going be gay from now on? If this is the case then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee! Gay people are born gay, there is no choice other than to live the life they were destined to live (or live a lie!). This makes it natural, just as hetrosexuality is normal.

    As the saying goes, You can't help who you fall in love with.
     
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    He wakes up every morning with that hope but then he decides to continue with pretending to be a conservative Republican.;):)
     
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