ram4nd You shouldn't take the Lords name in vain like that.. Like I said.. The BBT is just a THEORY..... Nobody can say for sure so everything and anything ANYONE in this thread says is purely speculation. We live by faith. In things unseen. Not in things that are seen. That might seem like madness to you but to us who believe its logical. I'm sorry. But I simply refuse to believe and accept that I crawled out of some primordial ooze as a single celled organism, to monkey's and finally to me a human being. I'm sorry but I am much more than that. I have a spirit. I have a soul. I have a hear that can feel compassion, anger, jealousy and all the other things. I was made in love, out of love. For love. And in any case, if that IS the case. Where are all the bits in between to show we evolved from monkey's? There are just too many missing links. If the BBT is correct, then Darwin's theory that we also evolved from monkey's must also be correct. But in the end, even Darwin turned Christian during the last years of his life.. What does that tell you!? But seriously evolutionists, if we evolved from monkey's, where is all the fossil evidence of us changing? There should be a lot more but we simply have not found it. Talking of fossils. Lets take the eye for example. The eye is a very very complex tool. You'd think that there would be fossils without eyes if evolution theory is correct. However, we have not found one single fossil that doesn't have an eye (or eye socket). And we haven't ever found any fossils that have anything resembling the first growths (evolution stages) of an eye either. They've just, ALWAYS had eyes.. Therefor it makes one think. That the eye was created along with the animals and creatures God created at the same time so they could see where they were going. Why have we never found any eyeless fossils!?
I believe in Allah. I am a Muslim. I have also a belief in Science.But we should keep it in our mind that Allah or God created the Science.
Mkcoy, you say it's just a theory, but theory by definition is the ending point in science. You can't say it's just a theory. You can say it's just a hypothosis, but theory is when something has enough proof that it becomes a fact. Then it's named a theory in science. Simple googleing would give you that answer as well. Single celled organismis tok millions or billions of years to evolve. No human can't comprihend that, so nobody assumes that. But evidence leads in that direction. All the fosile records and dna, etc every discovery we make about it only prooves evolution. It's your problem if you think you have soul. Actually all you have is a brain. There is nothing that would explain how a mind can exist out of body. All you are is your body and brain. The bits between us and monkeys are all there. I think there is a museum where those are out. By the way it wasn't monkeys. We just have a common ancester with chimps. You can start from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens. But in the end darwin turen christian, that tells me nothing. I don't know if that is true or not. Since darwin there has been many great things that have prooved evolution. You have problem with calling it a theory, well lets call it a fact. Darwin just started the hypothosys of evolution. Todays science has made it a fact. As I said earlier those are not the issues at todays science. Evolution is a fact there are bigger questions out there for scientists. You do know that fossils are rare becouse they need spectial conditions to survive for that long, right? We have found them, really do some research. Really dude where have you lived. First of human eye is not the best eye, for an example owels have better eyes than us. We have found creatures that have less developed eyes. Eye started as since light sensitive cell. Then there were more sensitive cells, and you could sence direction aswell, then tube shape, then the image was reflected you could see foggy pictures, etc..... Color is not really color it's just different kind of light, that brain interpratates. There are creatures living as we speak who have the tube shaped eyes, very early in development: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus We have found fossils of animals without eyes. Also there are animals without eyes currently living with us. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_animals_do_not_have_eyes That should answer all your questions, and also you might have learned something. Hasan Tareq, allah or other gods they are made up by humans. Humans created science. Don't credit non existant things for human work. Scientists have worked hard and gave lives for all the knowledge we have. Also I can take your lords name in vain as much as I like. There is no reason to fear something that doesn't exist. It's nonsence. Please read all of my text, learn stuff about our amazing world and Don't promote non existant magic man.
Yes, I believe in God. We know that there must have a cause behind every thing. So there must be a God behind us.
We don't know that there must have been a cause. The particle collection that was before big bang. It was so dence and had really high temperatures thousands or millions times more than in the sun. The particles didn't form atoms. In that environment you don't know that causality is true. Also causality might not be true in quantum physics. If you say that causality must be, then what is the cause of god?
melprise: You misdescribed and caricatured the argument. There's either an eternal God, or an eternal universe. Since the latter isn't, God exists. ram4nd: Show me evidence that proves God! melprise: Okay, here's evidence. ram4nd: No point of showing me science proves god videos, cause I don't know anybody with a nobel prize for theory of god. melprise: Talk about the magic man. Poof! You change your demands at a blink of an eye.
See "head explode" video atheist objections 3, 4, et al. If you question/object to some or all of cause and effect, or don't think causality is always applicable when it comes to our being open to particles, the big bang or other parts of the natural world, then sauce for the goose, God is ALSO scientifically possible and ALSO does not require a cause. You can't exempt one without exempting the other. Likewise, you can't keep claiming the big bang is 'science' and thus not subject to philosophical questions, then turn right around and apply the big bang to the philosophical question of the existence of God. The true reason why God does not require a cause is that cause and effect is limited to finite, non-eternal things, while that which is infinite or eternal by definition, has no point of origin. So God is the uncaused First Cause of all the finite, non-eternal things subject to cause and effect.
I mean real evidence not some youtube video made by someone who doesn't look thinks at multiple sides. People who believe in god they take that as granted and cherry pick theories and laws of science to prove their hypothosis. Also God isn't even a theory. As gravity, evolution or BB are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List_of_notable_theories Even if it would be true that god is infinite and doesn't require an origin, you still need to proove it. Can't be accepted without having any evidence. So it all comes to the same conclusion, I don't believe your absurd claims about god and find it really wierd that you believe. Belief by definition is believing in something without evidence and I don't do that cause I am not an idiot.
So, evidence isn't "real evidence" unless an establishment, atheist pro-evolution source presents it---which is the same as saying you will never accept any evidence (video or articles) from theists. God does not have to be a 'theory' to be explored scientifically, as the subject can be explored as a model, compared to a no-God or naturalism model, and validated based on which model lines up with the data best. And I don't believe your absurd claim that your view isn't based on "believing in something without evidence," since the earlier exchange showed logically your atheistic/agnostic claims require either an infinite knowledge of the world, or an infinite/eternal world (or God) to be so, IAW belief without evidence.
I do accept, but I don't accept if they ignore some aspects of facts. Also I accept scientific papers. Sure, I am just saing that you are claiming that something is true, but it's not even a theory. It doesn't require infinite knowledge. It requires proof of something and you make then rational conclusions. If there is no evidence you say you don't know, not god did it.
Francis Bacon said: those who does not believe in God does not know Science actually, and those who knows science have to believe in God.
yes i believe in both because I'd prefer to not live like there isn't a God then die and find out that there actually is
Unless saying 'you don't know' contradicts the many times you've said you DO know there's no God, as on this thread. Or, you've said 'you don't know' so forcefully that it necessarily implies that you have SO MUCH, OR INFINITE KNOWLEDGE as to declare no one can know, thus putting yourself in the position of being God yourself, as also shown on this thread. Evidence for God has been presented (see the four links I provided, you just looked at the videos).
If you would know when he lived you would understand why he said that. The links are not evidence. I don't know 100% that there is no god. I am telling you that there is no evidence to believe that there is a god like thing. If the links would be evidence it would be scientifically accepted that god exists. I bet if you google the names of those who have created those youtube videos then you can find data about them being another bat carp crazy christians. About christian or moslim god I can say that no such gods exist with 100% curtain.
As I said, there's no evidence you will accept, because you'll characterize any actually presented to you as being "not evidence" or otherwise unacceptable, and you proved it again. "Oh, I'm not certain God doesn't exist, but then again I am 100% certain." Your last name must be disingenuous. This exchange is again adjourned, at least on my side.
Why is it called the Big Bang Theory then? Moron! Stop trying to put big words on it to make yourself sound intelligent. At the end of the day, its just a THEORY. Why is it a "problem" to me? I see no problem in having a soul. Google search "darwin turned christian"... Science has not made it a fact! If it was made a fact. People would stop going to church and stop praying. Of course I can. That's why its called the Big Bang..... Theory.. lol Why is it called a theory then?? Like I said. You believe in the BBT, that nothing can come from something. To me, thats just as absurd as believing in a God we can't see.. Its better to believe and find out its not real than to not believe and find out it is. Don't promote non existant magic? its "existent" by the way. Get a spell checker!! lol PS. Don't call me "man". I'm not a hippy. How do you explain the bible then? I guess you think its all just made up mumbo-jumbo by some secret society intent on controlling the masses with fear yes? I don't debate. I state!
Well gat your statement of theory straight. It's called Big Bang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang . Also it's a scientific theory like Gravity is called Gravity but it also is a theory of gravity. Get it? I am not native english speaker, so I might make mistakes. Like calling people dudes or man, which can be learned from american movies. Bible is a man made book, nothing related to god. But lets assume you people are right. Lets assume that there is a god or gods. Then I would need answer to following questions: Which god, really exists then? Allah, christian god, roman gods, egyptian gods? Why is bible full of nonsense like the earth is 10k years old? Laws that doesn't make sence, like stone gays etc. Don't wear clothes made of linen and wool(why would a god care about what I wear). Why is evolution happening right now? How can mars contain small life forms like bacteria? Why majority of smart people don't believe in god? Why elderly, poor and stupid are more likely to believe that. Why is owl eye more complex and vision better than humans? Why isn't there more proof of god than man written book? I have tons of more questions, but let's see if you can answer those, as your bible says. If anybody questions your belief, you have to explain. And you know what is your punishment when you don't do as bible says. Eternal torture.
I am a Muslim and i will always believe on my ALLAH ( GOD )Everything up to on GOD. Science can change human age ? Science can change weather ? Science can stop death time ? Never" so its all up to ALLAH ( GOD ) .
Proud to be wrong? You don't even care what is the truth just your allah. You like to be a slave of made up god? Science is not magic, so it can't do those things. Also made up god allah can't do it also, because he doesn't exist like Santa or fairies. I bet if you were raised as christian you would be slave to that god.