Theistic regimes in the last century, with the same access to that century's advanced technology, did not produce the 100 million deaths that atheist/secular regimes did across the same timeframe. And if you are going to cut the latter a break by isolating blaming the evil on certain psychopathic leaders, and not their worldview, why not likewise isolate the evils of theistic regimes to certain psychopathic leaders, and not their worldview?
We exist Due to evolution of life. and thanks to our intelligence to keep pace with the environment not to forget the apes. but i also do believe in god more then science science is a part of the world which god has made for us we just keep finding things which he has made for us just my thoughts
Why do you think god made the universe? What made the god then? How can something make such thing as universe. If you would read about big bang theory then you might change your mind.
Ah, the BB, as per the secular bedtime story: Once upon a time, a big cosmic egg, which came from the land of who knows where, exploded, for reasons no one really knows why, and somehow disintegrated into more complex things like planets and stars, based on forces and fields that also came from who knows where. Then some material on the planet, from who knows where, for no known reason and following no known process, just happened to flip from being simple and inorganic to complexly organic, while its atmosphere also conveniently suddenly flipped from being non-life supporting to organic life supporting. These new lifeforms somehow also developed in interactively complex ways, as well as whipping up a staggeringly complex genetic structure and information system all by their lonesome, following a mechanism that comes from---you guessed it---who knows where. Eventually, Mother Nature kissed a frog, and 300 million years later, it turned into a prince. The end.
Religion is based on our childish primitive way of thinking when we tend to mix what we want to be true and what IS true. Grownups do not mix this things. Also religion divide people. So I`m strongly for science and against religion. Science is not always `obvious` or `intuitively (and falsely) clear` like religion often is. Also sciense is sometimes dull and hard to get into, but we have no future if we`ll not overgrew religion.
What kind of ignorance it requires to tell this about big bang. The bedtime story is your gods version. That this supernatural magic man created everything. If you would read about the big bang you would know that you got it wrong, there is real science behind it man, in different of god!!!
Clearly I have familiarity with the BB theory, that's why I knew how to put the thing in derisive fairy tale terms. The point was to give the atheists a drop of their own medicine. If you find it "ignorance," then could it be, perhaps, that the exact similar way atheists put down the God of creation is also ignorant? As usual, you have no real rational answer to the thrust of the story, namely that the naturalistic account of origins makes no sense upon critical examination.
None of religions have given enough reason to take it seriously at all. Telling big bang theory as a childrens book is not giving our own medicine. On the other hand, religion makes children books to make it seem harmles and fun. It's serious science. There was no explosion at the big bang the theory says that space around it expanded. Since everything is moving away from a single place, it seems to be complient with the actual thing. I am seriously telling you that you don't know the science behind it.
What the BB is, is serious nonsense, coated with a false reputation as science. Even secular cosmologists have identified 30 serious problems with it: http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp So something called "the big bang" was just a rapid expansion that was exactly consistent with an explosion, oh, that makes it "different." Exactly how did the Universe arrive at an extremely hot and dense state, and began expanding rapidly? Where did the forces, fields, and other physical laws come from governing the behavior of the universe at its beginning? And later on earth, how did systems across the planet all just happen to shift to accommodate organic life? You answered none of these difficulties, which taken together, show how absurd the naturalistic version of origins is. Those problems do not go away by you changing the subject, by going back to attacking God.
Exactly how did the Universe arrive at an extremely hot and dense state. We don't know. But there is no scientific logic that whould tell you that god like creature did it, also all religions dissagree with the theroy. But why do I have explain this, I ma not scientist, your god hypothesis is infinitely more absurd. Physical laws don't come from anywhere it's how matter behaives, also it's about scale. World that is observable with our naked eye has one rules and dence hot matter what was when the space was very small at the beginning of big bang has completly different laws. It's been proven that organic life can come from non organic life, thus you can assume that it can happen over millions or billions of years. How planets formed is also physics, you can google it, I am not going to explain that obvious thing to you. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? Is your answer to all of this that it's too complicated, thus a magical creature did it that existis outside of any possible space and is a mind without body, etc... Now that seems absurd to me! About your link. That person is long dead. Science goes on. The reasearch that has been done in CERN is recent. And approves the theory you god people deny. After all it would'nt be a theory if it wouldn't have any throught in it, it would just be a hypothosis.
I have no more questions, as you have no answers, just more put downs, evasions, reassertion of things as 'proven' that have not been proven, and weak appeals to authorities who did not answer these basic questions either. The naturalistic theory of how planets form involve even more difficulties than the big bang (I could again link to articles documenting this, but as you said, you can Google it, I am not going to explain that obvious thing to you). And since you say it doesn't matter to you where laws, etc came from, so long as you claim trained people observe them, sauce for the goose, then "God people" don't have to care to explain the "God hypothesis," since we also claim to observe His creation of and impact on the world. You apparently can't comprehend that there are different interpretations of the evidence, that can better account for the data in terms of a Creator, instead of natural processes. Or that when you posit that "the universe was once small," that's one more aspect of the BB that is in need of an explanation of where that came from. Either all aspects the natural world have a point of origin in the finite past, or the world never had a finite point of origin. As noted before, since you are denying an infinite/eternal uncaused First Cause (God) that created the world, you are declaring that the World itself is infinite/eternal or God, without saying so. Something clearly exists that has the divine attributes of infinity and eternity. If it isn't the natural universe, it must be supernatural. God goes on.
Do you know what is called supernatural things that exist - Natural. You say I have no proof. I have scientific theories, you have nothing. You have nothing so you say therefore it's supernatural. I don't evade your questions. You evade mine. You can't give single evidence of anything god like. You just say, things are complex and can't be proven, there for god. I say, things are complex and I don't know what I don't know.
Whoa whoa whoa! Hold your horses there a minute!! How can "space" be "very small"?? Thats why its called "space" because there is a lot of it.... There is no time when "space was small". Its always been "space". An infinite amount of space.. Think about what you are saying man! Firstly the BBT is just a theory! Its not a scientific fact yet! Its still just a "THEORY! Thats why its called... wait for it.. The Big Bang THEORY! Tadaa!! To atheists I ask. What about the 4 epistles in the bible? Mathew, Mark, Luke & John. Are they not real testimonies? Or are they just made up stories forged by some secret society? How can we refute the bible? PS. I struggle to believe sometimes. But then I also think, if space, time and matter can come into existence from nothing. And the universe can go on forever.... Then if all that can happen on its own. Why is the reality that God exists so absurd also? Hope you see my reasoning.
Remember guys before you go all out defending the BBT. It is only a "theory". Its not scientific fact. Just remember that yeah. Cool.
http:// Lots of Evidence for God (in addition to the logical argument presented earlier): http://www.godandscience.org/ http://www.icr.org/God/ http://www.focus.org.uk/ http://godevidence.com Scientific Evidence that God is real! - YouTube Make an Atheist's Head Explode- YouTube
Mkcoi OMG, you don't know that theory is the ending point at science? Like Tim Minchin said, maybe you believe the same about the theory of gravity and you just might float the f**k away. The first video is just wrong, cherry picked theories and added some nonsense. It said that god is all knowing, and then talks about electrons which are just particles. Second video, clearly it goes wrong when it's asked where the universe came from. It's not a constant. Scientists don't know where the universe came from because we can't observe it. Which makes the statement wrong about atheist and theist believing the same cause of existance. Also the laws of cause and effect is just philosophical concept of casualty, nothing scientific. If you do some research about quantum physics then you can see that. No point of showing me science proves god videos, cause I don't know anybody with a nobel prize for theory of god. To the theory guy GOD ISN'T even a theory, big bang is. In any case scientists are not trying to prove the big bang, it's too much of a fact. They are looking into other mysteries that can't be explained, like black wholes and string theory. We know the 4 existing forces. There is no room for god! No room for astrology! No room for mind readers! No room for supernatural! No room for magic! Isn't this life wonderful enough on its own that you have to bring in the magic man? HOW is you logic like: I don't know the source of big bang, there for god did it.