Is Koran have more accurate prediction than Bible?

what?? we'll then they'd be wrong then. how'd he die, natural causes?

wht version of the Bible is that, the Bible according to Jim??

 

king james.

I never said the bible doesn't stay he was crucified on a cross.

It just says he wasn't as well. Some Christians believe the parts that say he was and others believe the parts that say he wasnt.

Personaly I think the average Jehovah Witness has read the bible more closely than most, and if they don't think it says he was crucified.. they probably know more about it than me.

 

Where?

Appeal to authority. That's what gets people into trouble. They *assume* someone more knowledgable than they has studied it and must be right. That's very silly when all you have to do is read it for yourself.

What verses state he was not crucified on a cross?

 

This I was not aware of

At least the Koran admits that somebody was crucified. They just deny it was Jesus.

It'd be nice if Muslims could just be up front about their beliefs instead of cherry picking similarities to fool people.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-judas.htm#myth

Now it makes sense. They accept the Gospel of Barnabas which is not in the King James Bible. So no, it doesn't come from the King James version of the Bible. It comes from another Bible that has introduced extra books.

Why can't people just be honest about where they get stuff from?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

The gospel one, traced back the 16th century is the one used by Muslims.

However,

http://www.barnabas.net/ (an Islamic web-site)

A lie in the first paragraph. Imagine that. The "epistle" was used in Alexandria. NOT the Gospel which is what Mr M used. The two are entirely different and of vastly different ages.

It'd be interesting to see what the Epistle of Barnabas has to say.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/barnabas-lightfoot.html

The Epistle of Barnabas talks at length about the importance of the cross which is why the church at Alexandria used it no doubt. The Gospel of Barnabas is used by Muslims and argues that Judas was crucified in Christ's place. An odd concept since the Bible reveals that Judas committed suicide by jumping off a cliff before Jesus was crucified. The blood money was then used to buy a field which he was buried in. If that wasn't Judas then who was it? Seems the Muslim version of events requires some extra dead bodies.

 

How the hell could you crucify"God's son?"
Wouldnt God send down a nice lightning bolt?
Or why does "God" or "God's son" need to die before he can forgive our sins? There are easier ways.
Jesus was probably not crucified. Someone else that looked like him probably was.

 

“I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.” - Socrates.

You want to know where the bible says jesus wasn't crucified on a cross.. go away and research it for yourself.

 

Jesus was also true man. Being God allowed him to rise from the dead of his own power. No one else could do that. Other's were raised from the dead but not of their own power or will.

Because there is no greater proof of love than giving your life. Yes there are easier ways. God could just require us to pick a flower. But how does that show love?

 

I just posted my research and it's not there. I found the true source of that doctrine. It's you who claims it is in there therefore you need to provide the verses. I can't prove it's not in there unless I quote every single verse and say "not it." I don't think DP would appreciate the bandwidth drain of posting the entire KJ bible.

You did make me think. I learned a lot. I found another lie in Islam. Now it's your turn to think and counter my research with a simple single verse. Not much thinking involved.

 

OK, Jesus had the power to raise people from the dead, as well as many other powers. Muslims agree. They worship him as a prophet.

"There is no greater proof of love than giving your life"
Now that's pretty silly. Would you rather have your son give you a birthday card or get himself killed?
If someone forgave your sins, I would say that would be the most love they could give. They can't do much for you if they are dead, but if they are alive...

What is the point of Jesus dying to forgive sins, then coming alive again? A waste of time for anyone, I say. I doubt thats the way it happened

 

God required sacrifice because the consequences of sin is death. Since Christ died for us, we don't have to. So by one man (Adam) we all died and by one man dying (Christ) we all live.

If Christ didn't die then the Christian faith is worthless because we then have to die for our own sins.

How can Christ raise from the dead if he never died?

The point is, if you reject the crucificixion you reject the Christ of the Bible. And that's your choice. Pretending the Bible agrees with you that Christ was not crucified is rediculous. That is an opinion that exists purely outside the Bible.

 

Thats the thing about the bible, there are just too many different ones that christians do not have a single belief system.

 

Consequence of sin is death. Isn't that kind of harsh? And you guys complain about Islam, hindus, Even in Islam there are ways to get your sin forginven, its pretty easy and you don't die.

"Since Jesus died for us, we don't have to "
Again, If Jesus is God, then he has the power to take away your sins, and he doesn't have to die to do that. The person who makes the game can change the rules.

You say Christian faith is worthless. I wouldn't say that. Many versions of Christianity contain lots of errors, but if you dig deep, you will find a real religion there.

 

Only if Christ did not rise from the dead.

He could. But thems the rules.

Without sin there would be no decay and we wouldn't die.

All a Christian has to do is ask and we are forgiven. That is possible because of what Christ did. Because of Christ we don't have to die for our sins.

 

For the most part they do. There are minor details that are not clear which cause unnecessary divisions. But as we can see from this discussion, the wide variations such as churches that reject the crucifixion, the disagreement comes because of people rejecting the Bible entirely. Not because they read it differently.

The Catholic church has changed a great deal over the centuries. The Bible has not. As time goes on the Catholic church gets closer and closer to what the Bible teaches in more areas. Same with the LDS church. Eventually they may realize the importance of the cross.

 

My god, my keyboards gonna bust soon.
Christ did not rise from the dead. He wasn't crucified in da first place
He could. Wouldn't that be a lot faster than dying, succumbing to a human weakness?
I'm not sure if sin makes you decay, perhaps in hell.Sin doesn't make you die though. Jenna Jameson, she won't be a reverend any time soon. But she isn't dead yet.

So basically, you could be adulterous, cheat on everone, have fun with porn stars, drink it all up, kill your parents, then ask forgiveness. Maybe I should convert!

 

But then you'd have to confess your sins and accept the punishment for your actions now.

If you refuse to repent for your sins and die in sin you will end up in hell.

That's your opinion. If you are correct then there is no need to be a Christian as the Bible itself says. If Jesus could not be raised from the dead then how can anyone be raised from the dead? And if no one can be raised from the dead then how can there be anything after this life?

 

KalvinB your research can not have been anywhere near deep enough.. debate over just how jesus died and what the bible says about it, is very well documented.

 

It is well documented. So I'm confused as to where the KJ Bible says he wasn't crucified. You're going to have to enlighten us.

Unsubstanciated dismissles of what I shown you don't excuse your brain from giving us a single verse to support your view. You made the claim now back it up. Otherwise it can be safely assumed you're just making stuff up.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bible+jesus+not+crucified

All that comes up is non-Biblical sources.

 

read 1 Peter 2:24 and The Acts 5:30 and Acts 10:39 and tell me what you see written there in black and white for everyone to read.