How to win peace with Muslims: give up your religion

http://www.thetennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/NEWS06/611290429

I think I speak for all Christians when I say "fat chance." Why don't *they* stop pretending Mr M was a prophet?

 

Why waste your time thinking about garbage like that? Fundamentalist Muslims are morons, nothing else needs to be said.

Furthermore, anyone who trusts someone else simply for the religion they follow is a fool. I'm atheist and there are many Christians and Jews I trust. Faith is not a negative characteristic, it's just a silly one.

 

Exactly, why don't they stop saying that Muhammad was a prophet? It is really stupid, but hey, why don't Christians stop saying Jesus is the only savior? The truth is, if you believe in any of these major religions, you have no legitimate right whatsoever to criticize those who believe in another. The quote says it right, why is it that your religion is the right one? You, just like them, have absolutely nothing solid enough to act like a real proof. It's called arrogance.


If we just get rid of religions, things would be way better. God should have written a list of dos and not-to-dos and provided them to all human beings without titles like Bible, Torah, or Koran. Sometimes, one person not doing his job right causes many others to be in trouble. Shame that God never did it right.

 

The truth is that you can't control how other people think. It takes personal integrity and the will to search out evidence to see how these religions hold up under criticism. And that's not to say faith itself is a problem, the problems arise when faith is expressed in a manner that is meant to suppress others of differing beliefs. Not only does this negative form of expression contradict everything said faith normally stands for, it puts said faith under opposing criticism that is regularly ignored. And this is where the quagmire takes shape, you have two groups of otherwise reasonably intelligent people that are caught in arguments where both sides refuse to look at the legitimacy of their own beliefs. It's the epitome of the pot who calls the kettle black.

 

I suggest that you read about the MKULTRA project if you think that it's impossible to control others mind.

 

If you hate me so much you want to kill me because I think my religion is right then that says everything about you and nothing about me.

I think rational people can agree that you don't get to hate people for what they believe. You can disagree with it. But you don't get to hate people for it. My thinking my religion is right does not infring on your right to believe the same about your religion.

So what if I think your religion is wrong? That's my opinion. And if you're so weak minded that you can't deal with me having an opinion differing from yours then that's your problem.

That's the point.

 

You've fallen into my description quite nicely.

 

Which one was that? The logical fallacy where you believe that two contradictory ideas can be true at the same time?

Which actually technically isn't a contradiction to you because you believe that all religions are false and any number of things can be false at the same time regardless of their relationship to each other.

I fail to see the intellectual nobility of denying your own religion is true just to appease someone else. I think it takes a weak minded individual to get bent out of shape because someone believes a contrary idea to your own. Muslims can tell me I'm going to hell all they want (and they have on this very forum). That's their belief. And if their religion is correct then they're correct. But that's a choice I have to make. Not a choice for them to force me to make because it hurts their feelings that I don't believe them.

Muslims appear to not want to have to make that choice. They'd rather we'd all just deny what we want to believe and accept their view. I guess they can't deal with opposition. Which is why Islamic run countries murder people who challenge and fall away from Islam.

 

Have you taken the time to consider that neither religion is correct? It's not a matter of appeasing someone else, it's a matter of being truthful.

 

Whose truth? And who cares? Does it offend you that little children believe in Santa Claus. Should we outlaw that too?

 

Universal truth, belief based upon credible evidence.

 

So what is the universal truth and what is this credible evidence?

 

Universal truth, meaning belief based upon evidence, is the kind of truth I was referring to, and the lack of credible evidence is the evidence for treating the Bible and similar books with skepticism.

 

What is the universal truth and what is the evidence for it?

 

Theres nothing more annoying than hearing one religious nut talk about another religious nut.

The nut is always nuttier on the other side!

 

... I just answered this question.

 

No. You didn't.

So what is this truth and what is the credible evidence?

One of the advantages of having studied the Bible is that you can go to your skeptics annotated Bible and see things like

and save a huge amount of time by not having to proceed any further. By using that, they've demonstrated a rediculous amount of ignorance on their part. It doesn't take much in the way of logical reading skills to understand the two accounts of the creation and how they mesh together. If the authors of the site can't understand that simple thing it's hard to trust their understanding in anything else. It shows that the authors are more interested in attempting to trick people than taking an honest look at what the Bible says.

 

There's nothing more annoying than illogical people telling us to accept contradictory "truths" simultaniously and then pretending to be logical. Tolerance is allowing others to freely believe what they want to believe. It is not accepting those beliefs yourself or compromising your beliefs to suit others. Being required to do so is intolerance on their part.

 

Whom are you refering to dear?

 

Anyone who fits that. I'm still waiting to hear what this universal truth is and what the evidence for it is. Obviously it's pretty amazing because it discredits all religions apparently.