Digitalpoint is far better than the warrior forum

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  1. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #21
    Where exactly are you getting metrics that show traffic had "dropped drastically". If it's more accurate than out Google Analytics, I'd actually love such a tool so I can see traffic metrics for third party sites. See this post: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2605191#post18279824

    And believe it or not, we are far more strict today than we have been in the past. The biggest problem we have is simply low quality new users from certain countries who think they are going to somehow get rich by posting gibberish (almost to the point of just blocking India, Pakistan, Russia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Nigeria and a few other problematic geographical locations). It's amazing how 5% of the users can post 99% of the crap.

    I suspect that's exactly why WF had to go paid to register. :)
     
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  2. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #22
    So why not do just that? surely losing just 5% of users is worth it if it will get rid of 99% of the crap.
     
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  3. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #23
    It's not quite that simple unfortunately... There are already existing (good) users from those regions for one. Secondly, then you end up needing to block VPNs and proxies (which ultimately would include all Opera users since Opera traffic is proxied through Opera's servers).

    We are going to be rolling out some stuff soon that *hopefully* will drastically curb the crap. If it doesn't, then we'll start looking more seriously at taking more extreme measures.
     
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  4. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #24
    Yes i agree with you there, and i have had dealings with decent honest people from these countries, it just seems the majority of junk/trash/warez posts come from people from these regions and just give the decent ones a bad name.

    Excellent!! looking forward to it, its quite depressing having to trawl through the crap that idiots post in a synical attempt to boost their post counts just so they can get into the BST forum.

    Would that be something you would consider doing? or perhaps restrict posting in the BST section to premium members only, it would certainly make me consider buying a premium membership
     
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  5. Benefit4all

    Benefit4all Peon

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    #25
    DP has a better interface and I'm finding people are more helpful then WF. Seem everyone is selling something on WF and are less concerned with conversation.
     
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  6. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #26
    Yep... we have a TON of backend custom code as it is to fight it. But as I mentioned, some bigger more visible changes will be coming soon that (hopefully) will cut out the bulk of the crap without doing something drastic (like just blocking entire countries).

    Yep... if you see posts like that, report them. These days we are so strict that if we see someone posting even a dumb question, I'll just delete every post they ever made and ban them. Really don't need more idiotic users as far as I'm concerned. We have far exceeded our quota on those.

    If it can be prevented at all, I don't want to go down the path of requiring payment to register. Maybe someday we will have no choice, but at this point I have a lot of unique ideas to combat it that haven't yet been implemented... Payment to register is really the easiest solution, not the better one as far as I'm concerned.

    B/S/T being paid would be a more realistic option... although even then it would probably be more of a hybrid. You can use it for free if you are a good user that actually contributes something useful to the site. If you don't have the ability to contribute anything useful, then sure... you can still use B/S/T, but you have to pay (or something along those lines)...
     
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  7. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #27
    I do almost on a daily basis and will continue to do so, the only thing i find annoying about the report system is the way it makes you wait 90 seconds between reports, is that so you don't get flooded with reports all at once..?

    I like that idea, would probably drive a lot of the scam sellers away as they generally are as thick as a brick and never contribute anything worthwhile.

    Im very much Looking forward to the changes.:)
     
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  8. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #28
    It's an annoying setting in vBulletin that for whatever reason is based on the timeout between a user being able to send another user an email. So the only way to lower it for reports would be to lower it for people being able to blast out emails to other users. I agree it's very stupid.
     
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  9. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #29
    Any site that would make an arbitrary decision like banning members from certain countries would quickly be deemed a racist site. Advertisers would leave in droves as they would not wish their brands to be associated with such.
    Financially at least it would not be a wise move.
     
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  10. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #30
    First of all, this might be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Blocking a country isn't racist at all. In fact, there is no way to tell what race someone is that is using an IP unless they tell you. Blocking a country would be about mitigating spammers. Let's say we are getting bombs with Canadian spammers, so we just block all users in Canada. What race exactly are we being racist against?

    And you are wrong about advertisers leaving if you blocked a country. The same countries we would block tend to be the same countries that have low-quality end users (on average) who advertisers don't want to pay to advertise to. Advertisers can already show their ads to users only in certain countries they choose. Does that make any advertiser that uses the feature a racist? lol

    In fact, even as a publisher, AdSense gives you the ability to see what countries are low/high quality for advertisers right in the AdSense interface. US users have a advertising value of $7.63 RPM vs. $1.79 RPM for Pakistan users for example. Google themselves more or less tells you that US users are 4.25x more valuable than a Pakistani user.
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #31
    @Digitalpoint,
    I'm not going to debate this with you. The last time I pissed you off on here you gave me 10 infractions in 5 minutes. "Bumping threads" "Thread hijacking" etc..
    Comparing a multi ethnic nation like Canada to either India or Pakistan....no I'll stop before I piss you off again.
     
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  12. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #32
    Okay... we'll agree to disagree then. You think race is based on geographical location in the world, and I don't. {shrug}

    As far as any infractions you got... clearly someone must have been out to get you with some sort of secret agenda. Believe it not not if we didn't want you here, you wouldn't be here right now.

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #33
    The 1st post was a tonque in cheek bit of sarcasism. Of course I was joking and not serious. I put in brackets "by the way.... what race are you?" I got an infraction for that. Then when I tried to explain that I was joking to you, I got all those other infractions.
    The other posts following were all made in the name of humor. I was being sarcastic only and not at all serious.
    P.S. Careful, we might both get an infraction for "thread hijacking".:)
     
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  14. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #34
    Well, next time you are telling a joke, maybe you shouldn't tell the same joke in 10 unrelated threads. It's spam as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #35
    I apologize for straying off topic so.....there are a few things about Warrior Forums that jump out at me and have caused me to refrain from joining. The obvious first is the $10 registration fee.
    I am VERY grateful that for the time being at least that DP is still free. I believe we ought to collectively remind ourselves of this from time to time before we moan and groan as we often do.
    The 2nd thing is the sheer size of Warrior. It is much larger and I feel it would take away from the experience. This place is the size where you can get to know and interact better with some of the regulars. DP is big but not too big.
    Also the mods on Warrior interact daily with the members and interfere at times in my view. I would assume that this coziness could affect their decisions?
    I also like the format better here, a much better layout and everything is easier to find. But of course that comes with familiarity also.
     
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    ms dronio Greenhorn

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    #36
    Hi everyone, I'm also new here, and before i found this forum i had also tried to browse warrior forum. what can i say... imho its design is too much aggressive. i didn't manage to stay there for long, it makes me nervous)) so thanks guys for this friendly interface! if you also get rid of captcha at registration, you'll be the best.
     
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  17. Brandon Sheley

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    #37
    lol.. nice

    I was a member at dp before wf and I visit dp was more then wf.
    wf to me seems exactly like Shawn said, a bunch and I mean a BUNCH of get rich quick pdf's presented my very young users.. or maybe those are the only ones I've came in contact with.
    Also it seems they are big on building email list and spamming users.. something I'm just not looking into, I can't stand spam and I'm not going to send it out.. even if I can make "1,000's of dollars a day"..lmao

    Good luck to them but I've never seen anything in those ebooks that I didn't already know and was available for free online already.
     
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    ms dronio Greenhorn

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    #38
    Hi friends&colleagues!
    I've read here that Warrior Forum requires payment for registration. Just for curiosity I decided to try it as it seemed ridiculous to me. When you start registration, the very first sentence you see is "Registration to this forum is free!" - but when you are about to complete it - you are requested to pay either $10 or $35!! What is that all about??!!
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    #39
    In advertising that's referred to as "hook and sell".:)
     
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    ms dronio Greenhorn

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    #40
    right...
    and in Law it's referred to as "intentional provision of false or incomplete information on products and services"
    so the WF users don't mind being cheated?
     
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