How can one run for a president if he/she supported the failure War?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ST12, Nov 27, 2006.

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    How can one run for a president if he/she supported the failure War?
    That includes.
    Hillary, McCain, Kerry ....
    They are all part of the Iraqi war failure.


    I just don't get the rationale on this.
     
    ST12, Nov 27, 2006 IP
  2. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    What failure war?

    I'm just glad none of these people are actually president ;) Heaven forbid they ever be.
     
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  3. ST12

    ST12 Active Member

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    Is the war success? If, for which corporations?
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    If you're a sheeple and listen to the media, it isn't. But not everyone is a sheeple. Just ask AGS :D
     
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    lmao...the innuendoes are killing me.
     
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    Rick_Michael Peon

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    Seriously, does anyone think a president will come around supporting the people!?

    Be serious. It's been a long time since we had one of those.
     
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  8. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    Hilary Clinton is NAILED ON to be the next President, make your bets now.

    There is a very distinct pattern in the history of US Presidents if you do a bit of research.

    I will personally set up my own fan worship site to GTech if I am wrong. ;)

    But I know I'm not.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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  10. Rick_Michael

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    It's doubtful.

    Unless:
    1)the Republicans pick a really shitty candiate.
    2)a semi-reputable person on the right goes third party.

    Bill Clinton didn't really get a lot of votes on his first term election, and won due to a third party. Hillary is a lot less popular among even liberals. She'll probably lose around 4% of the votes in comparison to her Husband.

    Stragetically, I think Republicans will pick either a fairly strong conservative or more practically pick a blue state Republican governor. The second would almost assuredly give them a win.
     
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  11. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    Who do you see as any other choice for the Dems but Hilary buddy?

    It will be IMO Hilary Clinton v John McCain unless the republicans bring in The Terminator (Arnie) and he shoots everyone like he did in Commando. :D

    The Reps could wheel out Rudy Giuliani and play the 9/11 card but I doubt that the 9/11 card will be as effective as it was by then. (A bit like we don't see too many dodgy Osama videos these days if you follow my drift.)
    John Kerry will do well to steer clear of the whole event.
    Not too sure about Barack Obama. Sounds a bit too much like Osama. :confused:
     
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  12. ST12

    ST12 Active Member

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    LOL.
    The Terminator could do it if he promises to pull the troops out of the pit.
    Hilliry is too self interested and a bit cold person.
    I believe a lot of feminists will vote for her, but still she won't make it. Tough don't believe she is good enough to be our president.
    The mistake she made to support the war is too big to be "folded" and forgotten.
     
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    Both have to go through primaries. John has no chance with mainstream conservatives. None. Republican, maybe.

    Hillary might win the democratic primaries, but I think it's too early to know. Maybe new blood like Obama might win or a democratic governor in the south. Is there one?

    In the general election she will not win. If the alternative in the republican side is descent I might (for the first time) vote for them. I don't want Hillary in. I didn't trust the more moderate version of her..her husband, and don't trust her. Don't confuse this with George W...I never voted for him or any democrat for that matter.

    The only thing Republicans have to do, is to really go back to their conservative principles, and promise with incredible integrity that they'll fullfill those obligations. If they chose Guilani, McCain, or some other liberal republicans....they'll lose. Conservatives will not vote for them.

    If their chose is wise, and no third party has a real contender, then it's all in their hands.
     
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    Being a Brit I am not too aware of underdogs, you think Obama might have a chance mate?

    As for the Republicans, I really cannot see whoever they put in winning, this is just my feelings but being from the US you will have a better feel of the political climate.
    I can almost imagine the nausiating campaign ads if Guilani gets the call. Bush has played the 9/11 card hard in the last 5 years. It would go something like this:

    (Spoken in the ostentatious movie trailer voiceover voice where the voice always sounds the same)

    You remember the hero mayor on 9/11?
    Rudy Giuliani, the hero of 9/11
    He will fight for your freedoms, just like he did 7 years ago.
    He's the true American hero.
    Rudi will fight hard to keep you free from terror.
    Vote Republican on 11/10


    Or summats like that anyway. I can almost imagine the ad now. :)
     
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    Yes and no. Depends on how many people run for it, and whom. If you kick-out a few of the hopefulls, perhaps he does. My belief is it's either Hillary or someone relatively unknown. *shrug*

    Atlas, it's too early to really say either way.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm


    Newt is really smart guy, but I'm not sure general republicans would embrace him. His sort of demeanor in 94' was pivotal in how the republicans got congress. They need his form of stragetic thought, to say the least. Not sure he'd win nomination.

    Tom tancredo...no chance, but I believe he's honest person...in his beliefs. I'm not sure he's ready for that position. This guy would devast the party if he ran third party.

    Duncan Hunter....has the capability/knowledge to defend our country, but relatively unknown.

    Minesota Governor Tim Pawlenty would be a practical chose. Not sure how he rest on all social issues, but he does have some secular conservative views. Being he could win a rather 'blue state' [the only state Reagan lost in his second election], would add a lot to his campaign. Couple it with another Republican governor in a blue state, and you got a win.

    Former Wisconsin governor? Tommy Thompson....

    Mitt Romney...not good on the gun issue or healthcare, but perhaps he could be forgiven or change his positions.

    If you look at the current polls on Republicans, it looks like McCain or Guilani would win, but the polls are deceptive in that they really don't establish those whom will really vote in the primaries.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
     
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    mistermix Active Member

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    All they have to do is acknowledge the mistake and learn from it.

    Its pretty simple.
     
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    To be honest Rick I haven't heard of some of them, being a Brit.

    We do it ultra simple here, the PM can win as many elections and serve as long as he/she likes, we have 2 main partys (3 including the Liberal Democrats but they are only in to make up the numbers LOL) and any numpty can be Prime Minister, as we will find out soon when Blair hands over to probably the most boring bastard in the United Kingdon, Gordon Brown. (Even typing his name on the keyboard almost sends me to sleep. :confused: )

    I still think the Reps will be between Guliani and McCain and Guliani will play the 9/11 card ultra heavy.
     
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    Guliani is for gay marriage, illegal immigration, relatively high gun control...

    While that might be okay in New York,...that won't settle well with many different interest groups. The religious right will look down upon him; the secular conservatives will not vote for him; and some of the gun owners will be weary of him.
     
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